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By Suella
8 years ago
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I opened an account a few days ago with this casino the live chat staff are very polite and respectful. I made a few deposits and thought perhaps i was spending to much time gambling. So just a few hours later i sent an email to the casino stating: Hi my username is .......... Please close my account permanently as i have a gambling proble,..Thanks Sue. I then immediately rang the local gambling helpline to get help, they asked me many questions and their advice was....you are not a problem gambler, if you like slots, place limits that you can afford on your account, and treat it as fun. I immediately went and read their terms and conditions. Although their defence is that they take self exclusion seriously and i should have sought approval from finance to set limits (please refer to screen shots of their terms and conditions). I believe i followed their terms and conditions. So later that evening i went to live chat and explained that i sent the above email and if i could possibly set limits as I had spoken to a professional and they advised that it would be fine for me to place limits and i asked if that would be ok with the casino. The lady told me to send a letter to their finance department. I asked how long she thought it would take for finance to get back to me, she said we are quick with responses. She said how much limit do you want? I said 200 per month and she said 250 is the minimum I said that is fine. I then I asked are we all good now and she said yes. I thought great i will deposit and as i checked terms and conditions and yes its says support can add limits I also asked if the 250 includes the amounts i deposited earlier and was told no. Meanwhile, I sent my verification documentation to Finance. I kept playing the slots, by now i was up a fair bit considering i only deposited 20 euro. I didnt expect my paperwork to be verified immediately but i sent an email to finance to ask how long it usually takes for verification. The next morning I started playing, sometimes winning, sometimes losing from that same 20 deposit. That night i started playing again bringing my winnigs to well over 2000 euro. I withdrew most of my winnings and immediately went into chat to ask how long it normally takes to have my document papers verified. I was told something like why are you asking you asked for your account to be closed. Well i was shocked. I was asked why i didnt send an email to finance like i was asked to. I said because live chat set my limits and she said all was good to go. I was horrified. The original lady that set the limit came into chat and confirmed that she set the 250 limit Did they think i would risk depositing my money if i thought i would not be paid if i won? They are now not going to pay because they said i should have sent an email to finance.although i was told it was all good and also because I would have thought that my account would be closed immediately if it wasnt all good. The point is that their practices are questionable. I am sick to my stomach for being taken as a fool and this is the first time i have had to write a complaint about a casino and i have trusted and used a lot of your casinos here. Their practices are questionable as they knew about my original email as told in chat but still they kept my account open with me thinking all is good which is what i was told in chat. After being told i won't get my winnings i received an email to say withdrawal has been approved see attached confirmation email which was sent after all the issues above. I was excited but in fact i am not getting paid I think they thought i would understand that it would be a refund of the 20euro. Although they claim they take self exclusion seriously and i should have sought approval to set limits please refer to screen shots of their terms and conditions. Before all of the above i read very carefully their terms and conditions including their responsible gambling terms. I honestly believed that becasuse the limits were accepted in chat and my account still open and being told in chat all is good now so i went ahead and deposited. To my horror my account is still open and proof attached of real money being accepted via skrill tonight when i questioned this tonight in chat i was told ok we will close it if thats what you want. . Their terms and conditions on responsible gambling attached. Please, i seek your assistance in this matter. Thank you.

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AskGamblers Complaints Team has been provided with enough information and evidence on behalf Magical Spin Casino management in regards of this complaint to confirm and justify the casino actions.

Based on the above, AskGamblers Complaints Team consider this case as Resolved and it is now officially closed. In case of a disagreement with our decision we remind player that further assistance on this matter could be requested from the relevant licensing authority responsible for Magical Spin Casino.

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We have thoroughly reviewed this issue and believe there was a misunderstanding due to some communications being conducted through so many channels in a very short period of time.

I fully respect the decision that was taken by Askgamblers, however I believe it was based on a language barrier and the lack of providing the correct evidences requested within the proper timeline of events.

The timeline with this player and the many communications via, chat, email, and forums made it difficult to keep the proper procedure in order with the player – in accordance with standard casino guidelines regarding such a serious issue.

1. The player did request via email and chat per above complaint that the player’s casino account be closed due to a gambling problem. The player was directed to gambling support links, following standard casino policy. The player stated in the Askgamblers complaint, they had spoken with addiction experts and that the group admins found no serious problem with the player’s gambling and spending behaviors. They did suggest to the player to set limits on the casino account.

2. Player then returned to chat via French support, and queried the chat agent regarding the setting of limits on the account. The chat agent specifically instructed the player not to deposit yet and to send an email requesting reversal of account closure from the account’s registered email address. The player never brought it to the chat agent’s attention that the account closure request was due to gambling addiction concerns.
3. The player, against all instructions, deposited within 3 hours of requesting the account be closed due to gambling addiction. Also, before sending the email requested by the chat agent regarding the purchase limits.

4. The account was closed within 24 hours and transaction refunded.

The original issue of gambling addiction left the casino with no option but to legally refund and close the account per self-exclusion guidelines.

I have forwarded all documentation and information regarding this timeline to Askgamblers for further review.

Thank you.
Levi Hogan
Communication Manager
Magical Spin Casino.
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This complaint has been reopened due to the declared willingness on behalf of Magical Spin Casino management to do everything within their power to solve their old complaints. AskGamblers Complaints Team is happy to give these old cases one more chance for a successful resolution.

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Unfortunately, Magical Spin Casino team failed to provide enough solid and reasonable proofs that could justify their decision to confiscate legitimate winnings and that they acted according to standard responsible gaming policy. Therefore, AskGamblers Complaints Team have no other options, but to close the case as Unresolved and advise player that further assistance on the disputed issue could be requested from the relevant regulatory body. 

Magical Spin Casino Complaint Stats

Resolved 39 / 42
Avg. Amount $1,376
Avg. Complaint Duration 8 days
Avg. Response Time 2 days

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Refuses a withdrawal without any notification

Hello @AskGamblers,

I've had a terrible experience with the Magical Spin casino.

I've had a pending withdrawal since 11.08.2023 after I completed a wager of 7500 EUR and decided to withdraw my winnings of 2000 EUR. I've reviewed all their policies and there's no written processing time frame for withdrawals. I've followed all rules and have not gone over the maximum bet of 7.5 EUR.

The chat support is not helpful, they only said to contact [email protected]. I've done this for the past week (several times). They do not reply at all. The chat said on Tuesday that the payment will be processed this week. But it was cancelled yesterday, without even notifying me why it is cancelled, is there any issue or what is the case?

The funds are credited back and now the chat support says next week the processing will happen but they cannot confirm anything and to contact the Finance department again. I've done this but they don't reply and do not provide any specific processing time frame. So the payment is again pending without any idea when it will be processed.

This is a horrible experience as you don't get any answer. The chat is referring you to a non-responsive mailbox. I've sent several emails over the past week. My experience with other casinos (who process payments during working days) is that you won't wait more than 2-3 days to get a payment, or if it is more (technical issue, verification issue etc.) they will provide any solid explanation and give a proper time-frame. Here, this is not the case. May payment was pending for 6 calendar days and just got cancelled without any information - no email, no message, nothing. If I did not log in to check, I would have no idea. My account has already been verified but I contacted the Verification team on 11.08.2023 just to make sure it is fine and the payment is not pending for additional verification. I've not heard anything back from them as well since last Friday.

I am a patient person but haven't heard anything from the team processing the payments, no solid information on their site (policies) regarding processing time-frames, which is what makes me raise this complaint. As my winnings are basically locked on their site and they do not help in any way to understand what I could expect and when. I've attached files confirming the cancelled payments (with no notification), the new ones, payment history etc. (private).

Please review this complaint and help me get this resolved.

Best regards,

Gubkibet

Status solved Resolved