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Unfairly seized £25,700


On 18/04/2016 Winnercasino ran a super Mondays bonus offer, where they give 3 reloads of max £300 for 70 80 and 90%.
I had only opened my account a couple of days prior and was looking forward to the great bonuses they have, of which I checked the terms thoroughly, which seemed fair at the time. I hoped my luck would be in as I had won the previous day and was going to place some sports bets on too.

The days prior I had been playing on slots but decided to have a go at roulette on the monday as there are some great games on there.

My first 2 offers lost. My 3rd offer of £333 for £300 won about £7500. This was great although I knew I had to wager it. I did this on black jack hoping that I wouldnt bust out.

I ended up not only wagering the full amount but I had actually won about £27000 after wagering. My luck was in or so I thought. I carried on playing slots, black jack, sports and other games where I won and lost. Eventually finishing with £26000.

I tried a £4000 withdrawal as I wanted to keep some with Winner so I could carry on playing. I didnt get any emails or messages whatsoever. After the money didnt land in the bank I checked the account to find the money was gone and all that was left was my original stake. (I assume because it was £294.40. Unsure where they got that figure)

I went straight to livechat where I was told that I had breached the following term:

10. When a player with an active bonus wins more than double the bonus amount on a game of odds 1:6 or higher, the player must keep playing with bets of similar or equal odds until wagering has been completed. Moving from high risk bets to lower risk bets of 1:3 or lower in order to fulfil wagering requirement will result in the bonus and any winnings being removed.

This livechat is captured in the first 3 attached files.

During this chat, I was became aware that term 10. was a different term to when I checked it PRIOR to playing. When I asked for the date these terms became active, I was refused this information.

I have since tried to resolve this issue via email (screen shot below of the reply)
https:­//g­yaz­o.c­om/­e99­a7e­3ba­22b­fd1­145­c6e­e95­2c5­b2822
They stated that the terms have never been changed since Winner.UK was launched in 2014 however I know this to be untrue as I have a screen shot of this particular term which does not mention a thing about 1:6 odds etc.

The next 3 links are screenshots of the terms I read and have copies of No.4-14.
https:­//g­yaz­o.c­om/­dbd­8a7­d60­d26­e1d­ef5­b81­24e­6c5­f4ff6
https:­//g­yaz­o.c­om/­af1­444­ab1­c8a­edf­b2a­481­f10­5e2­9b427

The next links are screenshots of Winners current terms No.4 -14
https:­//g­yaz­o.c­om/­252­ee8­964­cc1­388­b30­e44­32e­9b2­309a4
https:­//g­yaz­o.c­om/­86e­c43­7f0­fe7­9d6­572­33a­59d­820­682f7

These are clearly different.

To sum up.
Winner have changed their terms post playing and wagering and this is clear evidence of it. That is why they initially refused to give me details of when these terms came into effect.

This is exactly the same as the council changing a speed limit from 40 to 30 and then prosecuting you because you drove down the road at 35 the week before the change.

Its ridiculous and criminal. I would like to get this issue resolved as soon as possible. After reading on this site it appears I am not the only one that fell foul of Winners Monday night offer and change of terms. What a disgusting way to treat a new customer.

I would like a full refund of my £26000 winnings

Michael
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Disputed Casino Winner Casino
Amount £25700

Discussion

User name loyalty-level-2
Please now find the next 3 attachments:
-Winners current Terms 4-14 as lifted from their website
-Email from winner stating they havent changed terms since 2014. (If thats the case they must have had Monday night reloads from day 1, as term 11 covers Monday night reloads.)
WinnerEmailStatingTermsHaveNeverChanged.jpg WinnerTerms5-14.jpg WinnersTerms4.jpg
User name loyalty-level-2
As the screenshots havent worked. Please find attachments of the following:
1. and 2.My copy of Winners Terms 4-14
MyCopyWinnerTerms8-14.jpg MyCopyWinnerTerms4.jpg

Winner Casino Complaint Stats

Resolved 36 / 92
Avg. Amount $3,700
Avg. Complaint Duration 45 days
Avg. Response Time 3 days

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Unable to make withdrawal

I have made my first deposit of 2500 Eur on 29. October and played a little bit of poker that day. I needed my money and I have made withdraw request on 30. October which was declined. I have received an email that I did not wager enough of my deposited funds in order to make a withdraw. After that, I was contacted by their representative which asked a lot of question and asked me to send them my paychecks from the bank for the last 3 months which I did: I have also verified my account before that. After that, they have sent me an email that my account is verified and that I need to rollover my deposit in order to make a withdrawal but rollover must be done in casino section and they have told me that I cannot play poker on their site anymore and they have blocked poker games for me. I thought I will try to lose as less as I can and decided to play roulette. I have played 67 roulette games where I covered every single number on roulette and I was losing 1Eur per round. I made rollover of 2500 euros and thought I can make a withdraw now but my withdrawal request was declined again with the explanation that only slots have 100% wager percentage contribution and roulette has only 25%. I tried to make a withdraw in the amount of only 20Eur but was declined again. I have sent them a few emails but they were not responding and they blocked live chat for me. I have called them and tried to get an explanation for all of that but they are just telling me that this is their decision and that I have to play some casino games in order to make a withdraw. My only purpose of depositing there was for playing poker and I do not feel comfortable to play casino games which they are forcing me to play. Basically, they are forcing me to lose my money on purpose. I have called them today again and asked from them to allow me to play poker and that I will play as much as they want because I know how to do it but they said because of security reasons poker will continue to be blocked for me. After that I have asked from them to close my account and if they want they can take some fee on my funds but they have said that it can not be done before I rollover my deposited amount in casino section. This is written in their terms and conditions:

"Closing your Account


53. If you wish to close your Account, please contact Customer Services (our contact details can be found here). You can do so at any time, provided that your Account is not expected to become in debit/deficit pursuant to any liabilities incurred through your gaming activities. On closing your Account, we will return the balance to you in accordance with the provisions of the "Deposits and withdrawals" section above."


I do not want to lose more of my money, I have already lost 67 Eur on purpose thinking I will be able to make a withdraw but now they are forcing me to play other games. Please help me with this, I am open to playing poker on their site to make needed rollover or for paying the fee for withdrawing the money.


Thank you



Status unsolved Unresolved
€2,500
Impossible to cash out
Winner casino have been nothing but a nightmare. It took 2 weeks of constant emailing back and forth things like my passport. My bank statements. They werenr happy. Thry asked for a picture of ne holding my passport with my arms visible. When i actually acconplished this. They claimed it wasnt clear and asked for another. I sent another which was the clearest photo you could imagine taking. The serial number iwas even readable.... THEY REJECTED IT. I finally gave up only to raise a complaint so.i could seek.outside help and much to.my amazement a vip manager emailed me saying my account was now verified. 2 weeks since i won the money i was actually able to request my withdrawal for £1000. Absolute miracle. Or not. I requested it on friday just gone. I was advised up to 2 business days to process it. On the third day iml queried it and was told it was 3 days. Its not the 4th day and each day i ask them.why its processes they give me a reassuring statement and tell me to wait for an update via email. Its been 3 weeks since i won money and winner just will not send it. I must add that the games at winner are great. Playtech you either hate or love them. The bonuses and sporrs bonuses are also great... but whats the point in great bonuses when its so difficult to actually get the casino to pay out? I hope this can be resolved and winner can gain my.trust because i would actualy like to use them again if this circumstance is rare. But as far as i can see at the moment its not rare
Status unsolved Unresolved
£1,000