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By Ben T.
6 years ago
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I opened an account here sometime ago but recently actually tried to game here. I verified my account before making any deposits. Made multiple deposits using etransfer, muchbetter, credit card and prepaid credit card.

I was able to accumulate and request withdrawal for 1585. 1000 via muchbetter and 585 via bank transfer. Was told to take a time out for 24 hours and they would be processed in that time. I contacted support to get a status update and they then advised they wanted verification of deposit methods. The customer rep sent me an email but it was from Betsson, citing verification request for betsafe. I explained that my account was on timeout and I replied with attachments of proof of deposit methods. They requested bank statement for one account and pictures of credit cards. I sent back statement, pictures of my personal credit card, and advised that the other cards were all prepaid. They all had the same bin number registered for vanilla prepaid. I got an email some time later from Betsson advising me that my account was now verified. This was perplexing because Betsson never asked me nor did I ever inquire about verifying my account there again. So I contacted betsson asking them about the confirmation of verification and they tell me they had received my reply to the betsafe reps email and accordingly verified my deposit methods.

My time out period expired sometime later and betsafe have still not processed my withdrawals, citing that the cards for which proof of ownership was not submitted needed verification. So I explain that they're prepaid and my withdrawals should be processed as the 24 hour period has lapsed. They still do not verify my account. I contact support over the course of next 24 hours inquiring about my account about 5 times, and they advise me each and everytime that the prepaid cards need to be verified and then conversation ends with them acknowledging they were prepaid and information will be forwarded. So I can clearly see theres no interest in honoring my withdrawals and I end up reversing my pending withdrawals.

I believe there was a concerted effort to recover the withdrawal and not verify my account. How did betsson receive my docs destined for betsafe and betsson then used these documents to verify my account. If the request came from betsafe via betsson and i got confirmation that account was verified then did betsafe improperly hold off on processing my withdrawals in the Hope's of recovering the money? Or did not take precautions to prevent my docs from being examined by a third party my consent? Or is betsafe skirting regulations in operating betsafe and betsson as one and the same. If the email requesting verification came from bettson but it was the same employee from betsafe, then this raises some real issues for me. Furthermore, they have no gave me a call back along with providing fictitious email addresses that bounced back.

I believe there no intention to verify my account while they willingly accepted my deposits. They have failed to verify me in the stipulated time period. I would like either be paid out the original amounts that were requested for withdrawal, or I would like to have my deposits returned as there a clear repudiation of their obligations in our agreement or understanding. Please see attachments for further proof.
Disputed Casino Betsafe Casino
Amount $1585

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Dear @Premegst,

Following a careful review and consideration of your case, the AskGamblers Complaint Team reached the conclusion that, unfortunately, your complaint is not compliant with the AGCCS Guidelines, section Balance played off while waiting to be paid and, therefore, is being rejected. Please keep in mind that following all AGCCS Guidelines is mandatory.

Please be informed that while we could understand your frustration and disappointment of probably not being paid within the time frame specified by the operator, it is up to you to refrain from playing until the processing of your payment is being finalized accordingly. Instead, you kept playing and lost your balance subsequently which means that unfortunately, you will also lost the validity of you claim against the operator which led to rejection of the complaint.

And while we understand this might not be the outcome expected by the complainant, we would like to remind that in case of disagreement with our decision further assistance on the matter could be requested from the relevant regulatory body and/or appointed ADR entity.

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What im suggesting is that you guys manipulated the process. You knew there was a time out period requested to resist any risk of reversing withdrawals, so on a balance of probabilities, if you had delayed the process of verifying you would increase the chances of recovering money to be paid out. Your failure to verify is not substantiated, because ultimately i was verified in the absence of the documents you guys insisted on receiving in relation to a prepaid card. As a result, if the winnings are not going to paid out, at the minimum betsafe should be responsible for any deposits i have made with them. This flows from their failure in verifying me in the time frame stipulated in their own guidelines. This was not a mere delay, nor was it reasonable. This was a concerted effort on the operators part to put off verification, as mentioned this is substantiated by them ultimately verifying me but only after no withdrawals were pending any longer.

If a player was to initiate a deposit to an operator, then calls the credit card company and tells them to not settle the payment until he directs the company to do so. and then wins a large sum of money and accordingly directs the credit card company to release the funds. Do you think the operator should be entitled to confiscate the money won? I think they should because the player never had the intention of paying the deposits until he was sure that it would be in his interest to do so. The situation at hand with betsafe is the same. They tactically hold off on verifying. Once the withdrawals are spent, they complete verification. The only reason the demand for the documents pertaining to the prepaid cards was dropped was because they no longer had to pay any money out. They probably anticipated that they have probably lost my business as a customer as well. This behavior cannot go unsanctioned. It erodes the faith of the player in the online operator ecosystem when they pull shady stuff like this. The losses here are not significant, maybe a couple hundred bucks. The issue is if this goes unchecked, when someone is screwed down the line there is clear redflags for the behavior this operator is exhibiting.

If betsafe could kindly provide a unequivocal determination in whether they are going to rectify this, I would appreciate that.
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Hi AskGamblers,

I am happy to assist player if he has questions about the account verification or needs any help from us. But I do not believe that there is a matter to resolve here.

No withdrawal was cancelled or rejected by us. Any cancelled withdrawal was done by the user himself and as per his request the money was credited back to his account balance upon cancelling it.

Customer was asked to provide documents in order to verify his account. This is in line with our account verification process and explained in our terms. Requesting a timeout does not remove the need to verify the account.

I also want to mention that we offer a wide selection of timeout options longer than 24 hours. As well as the possibility to do a new timeout once the previous one has expired.

Kind Regards,
Alex - Customer Service Manager
Betsafe
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This was a concerted effort by this operator. I have raised an issue with the MGA due to the unethical practices of this operator. They refused to verify my account or even take note of the issue with their request until the time out period I request expired, my withdrawals should have been processed in that time. They sought to stall that process by repeatedly asking for verification of prepaid cards. But that demand suddenly disappeared when there was no more funds to pay out.

So yes, the funds were spent but this grievance still needs to be addressed because this was a tactical, unfair and unethical practice, which is in clear contravention of their own policy to verify in 24 hours. It took them 5 days to verify my account and without good reason.

Betsafe Casino Complaint Stats

Resolved 30 / 31
Avg. Amount $2,768
Avg. Complaint Duration 8 days
Avg. Response Time 2 days

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Delayed verification and rejected withdrawal
I started using Betsafe on 22.6.2024 when I deposited 1000 euros into my account, after that I generated some winnings and I withdrew my initial deposit of 1000 euros + 50 euros winnings (1050 euro withdrawal made 6.7.2024), the withdrawal that time was succcesful. I made another withdrawal of 300 euros 13.7.2024, that one also was successful. Now when I tried to make a withdrawal 30.7.2024 of 2002,99 euros, Betsafe wanted additional verification. Of course I have used betting sites before and I understand their KYC process, so I provided every document that they asked for. I sent in many documents (bankstatements, proof of income, etc.) so that they got exactly what they wanted, but it is all correctly sent in and accepted by Betsafe. Every document they have asked for, I have provided.

8.8.2024 I sent in the last requested document and I have now awaited any news since then. There have been no updates from livechat or email support and they are telling me that they are unable to help until the relevant department have reviewed the documents. I cannot understand why this verification is taking so long.
The requested withdrawal I made of 2002,99 (30.7.2024) euros has now suddenly been cancelled without any action on my behalf so now I am getting worried that there is something else going on.

I have given Betsafe a lot of my time and patience but now I am hoping that this forum might help me solve this case, so we can all move on with our lives.
Status solved Resolved
€2,003
I have been charged too much on deposits

Hello.

First of all; I'm fully aware of that both the casino/ casinos provider for deposits and withdrawal, and the bank can have their fees. But now I have made deposits to Betsafe the whole month.

In the beginning of February, a deposit on 2000NOK was 2005NOK total, wich is completely normally.

I'm used to the casinos taking some valuta exhange fees, and the total amount if often various.

Sadly all my deposits on 15th-17th February was charged a lot more than just the exhange fees. Here a deposit on 4000 NOK got the total amount of 4377 NOK. The even worse is that there was NO verification at all on my deposits, and I was fully charge without the possible way to accept/decline the transaction, which is something that should be able when it's in different currencies.

When i asked the casino about this, they started with blaming my bank, which here is Revolut. The best part about revolut is that they are saying how much the seller is taken, and how much they are going to take in fees. Revolut even use dynamic valutas, so they are using the real exchange rate at the moment.

When I tried to tell this to the casino, they told me that they haven't taken anything at all, but gave me 442 NOK back. This is a lot under what I have been payed.. I'm missing 2332NOK from all of my deposits in a period of three days.

As told earlier. In the beginning of the month the total amount was around 1-50 NOK over what i actually depositing, which is totally fine, but when its nearly 10% on some of the deposits, its to much. Even when I have no possible ways to decline it, and tell them about this.

I even tried with Mastercard, where they are charging me even in NOK. This was even HIGHER than using Visa. So when they were charging in the same valuta, the total amount was on 8110 NOK, when I was trying to deposit 7500 NOK.

The worst part of this experience is that there is absolutely NO verification when i do have enough on my bank account. But when tried on an empty one, the verification was coming, and here i could see that they are charging a lot more in different currencies, before my bank have something to do about it.

I'm therefore requesting my differences back, which is now on 1890 NOK (since they have already paid 442NOK)

The attached files is showing that this is just being happening the last week this month, and the support is declining that they have something to do about this.. Sadly its neither me or my bank who have taken those money.

Status solved Resolved
Paying customers needs a more fair environment
Last October 15, 2021, I was playing the new game Chronicles of Olympus X Up. I was betting normally at a stake of $1.50 before deciding to go for buy bonus of $60 for three times in a row which gave me winnings of $60, $48 and supposedly $120.50. However, I’ve noticed that my remaining balance is not right. So I went to my activity page, there I’ve noticed that I was charged $150 stake instead of $1.50 in one round. And on my third bonus buy instead of getting $120.50 of winnings they only add $10 on that round. I was missing $259 in total of the stake and bonus combined. So I’ve reported it on the 24/7 online chat support and they gave me a case number.

On their activity page you can clearly see that if it is a normal bet without winnings, it will show you the stake size and the “BET”.

On the other hand, if you won something from a normal round or a bonus buy it will show you the exact amount of winnings as well as the word “WIN”

Moreover, the Maximum bet size for the game (Chronicles of Olympus X Up) that I played is $21.

There is no $150 bet size on that game that’s why I thought it was a glitch or some kind of technical error.

I attached a screenshot of the bet sizes on the game I played as well as the activity page but I was given a false response from them. The support team insisted that I bought a $150 buy in bonus game and that I won $120.50, then where is it? Why is the $120.50 not visible on the activity page and was replaced by $10 of winnings. I told them that they could review and even replay the bonus game but all my efforts of telling the truth and also my time was just wasted not getting the right answers from a whole support team.


Moreover, last October 20, 2021. I was playing 5 Lions, got a bonus game and won $75 but again not added on my account. I was given a case number but until now I haven’t got any updates from them.

I hope all paying customers get what they deserved.

I’ve attached screenshot from Betsafe’s activity page and the stake sizes for Chronicles of Olympus X Up.

I also got a screenshot of the history page for 5 Lion which I haven’t got any response until now.

Thank you very much
Status solved Resolved
$75