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I have been a user of Winward Casino for a couple of months but hadn’t had any decent wins until recently. Over the time being a member, I would have spent a fair amount of money with them.

Almost two weeks ago, I finally had a win but noticed I there was a bonus attached to my deposit so had to play through the required amount before any amount was withdrawalable - which I understood and did so.

Luckily, I had a couple of additional wins after I had played through the required bonus wager, resulting in $4000 being withdrawalable (it was higher but I continued to play down to this amount).

I then requested to withdraw this amount via wire transfer. I had already fully verified my account.

After exactly 3 days (72 hours) which is their pending time, the money appeared back in my casino credit, rather than being paid out. I know now that this is a common tactic that this casino uses to stall pay outs.

As they didn’t advise me of why it had been returned I got in touch with them and their very rude chat staff told me there had been an issue with the wire transfer but all was okay, I just needed to contact Accounting by email. That was Friday and I wouldn’t receive a response till Monday, so, after emailing them, I put through another request to withdraw the $4000 but this time by Bitcoin.
Accounts emailed me late on Monday to say that this would be processed 72 hours from the time I put it through, which was last night.

I followed this up yesterday and they advised it was all looking good and they would process it as soon as possible.

Then, not that I was too surprised, the funds were again returned to my account.
This time, as soon as I noticed this, I went online to chat about it and was quickly told some excuse about not meeting the terms of the bonus which I strongly disagreed with yet they said that none of my winnings were valid.

They were very rude and it was obvious they were using tactics to delay payment or avoid payment.

I am shocked by the handling of this. First the inexcusable delays to processing the withdrawal and then making up that I didn’t meet the bonus terms when I was conscious to follow them.

I am requesting that my winnings are paid out as is fair.

If this does not happen the this casino should be blacklisted for ripping of loyal customers who have genuine winnings.
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AskGamblers Complaints Team has been provided with enough information and evidence on behalf Winward Casino management in regards of this complaint to confirm and justify the casino actions.

Based on the above, AskGamblers Complaints Team consider this case as Resolved and it is now officially closed. In case of a disagreement with our decision we remind player that further assistance on this matter could be requested from the relevant regulatory body.

User name
Hello,

Thank you for getting back to us.

Please note that in regards to question number 1, we have looked into all your previous conversations with our colleagues and found that they have indeed let you know that you have all documents on file after you sent everything, and that your withdrawal will be reviewed as soon as possible. Your withdrawal has been reviewed in due time, according to the information they provided you with.

In regards to the second concern, please note that according to the aforementioned rule, your bets should not exceed the amount of AUD5 through the whole period of time that it takes you to meet the wagering requirement for the bonus that you were playing. We have checked your game logs once again and unfortunately you did have bets of amounts higher than AUD5 while wagering that bonus.

In regards to the deposit bonus that you were playing, please note that there is no fault in the fact that you received a deposit bonus. The deposit bonus is added automatically to your account once you make a deposit. In case you do not want to play with bonuses, you have the option of cancelling that bonus directly from your account or ask our colleagues to cancel it for you on chat.

We hope that this information helped clarify the situation of your account and should you have any other questions, we are at your full disposal.

Kind regards,
The Winward Casino team
User name loyalty-level-2
Winward Casino,

Your response is not accurate. It is just more excuses and lies that you feel you can use to cheat over genuine, loyal customers.

After reading more reviews about Winward, I find it incredible that you seem to use the same tactics time and time again.

In response to your claims:

1. As I had completed the verification process successfully and double checked my wire transfer details, can you please explain why the withdrawal was reversed back into my casino account and no one got in touch with me to discuss the banking details? (Which were correct)

Once the funds went out of pending and back to the casino, I was informed that the 72hr pending period had to be applied again.

Surely if your team needed to clarify the banking details, the funds would sit in pending before being processed.

In chatting to at least 6 team members once I had re-submitted the withdrawal, each one of them told me that it was all looking good and I just needed to wait out the pending period.

I see no justification as to why the funds were reversed back into the casino other than being a stalling tatic. Could you please advise?

2. I am extremely confident that I did not breach the bonus terms. The winnings were over a period of 6 or so hours and it took me a long time to play through the bonus wagering requirement due to the limited bet size I was using. Once my winnings were withdrawalable, I did increase my bet over 5 and at this time I increase my winnings to over $8000 which I then played down to $4000.

I am not satisfied with your response to this matter. I strongly believe that I am entitled to these winnings and will continue to pursue this matter.

Interestingly, it was only due to a fault in your system that I recieved the bonus in the first place. I am sure you are aware however when depositing, there is no option to not receive a bonus. Noticing this, I selected a bonus which had a deposit minimum far higher than I planned to deposit however a bonus was still credited.

Could you please explain how you this breaching your own displayed rules is justified?

I await your response and hope to resolve this issue urgently.

Jamie
User name
Hello,

Thank you for getting in touch with us in regards to this matter.

Please note that we have looked into it and found that indeed, in order for our Accounting team to be able to review your payout request, they needed to receive the correct banking information.

Please be informed that as soon as they received the Banking information, a full review of your account took place. The review included all documents, profile information, all account activity and game logs.

When checking the game logs, we noticed that you had bets of over AUD5, which is a breach of our terms and conditions.

Due to this reason, unfortunately your withdrawal request could not be approved and all the winnings were voided, as per the following rule that can be found on our site, under the Bonus Rules page:

Until the play through requirements have been met, the maximum amount per spin/ bet that can be placed is AUD5. We reserve the right to decline a withdrawal and void any winnings, if you place a bonus money bet higher than the allowed limit

We thank you for your patience and know that we are available 24/7 in case you need further assistance.

Kind regards,
The Winward Casino team

Winward Casino Complaint Stats

Resolved 24 / 25
Avg. Amount $1,020
Avg. Complaint Duration 7 days
Avg. Response Time 2 days

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Will not pay my winnings
Can you please help me? I am having trouble getting my winnings from Winward Casino. They seem to be stalling in paying my winnings. They are coming up with one reason after another and it has been going on for over 2.5 weeks and there has been several emails back and forth but we are getting nowhere. The money keeps being put back in my casino account, and when I ask questions they won’t answer me. Details are as follows:
21/6/20 - submitted a request to withdraw my winnings of $2000 AUD.
All my required verification documents had been verified some months before and
The 3 items they list under verification requirements , on my account are all ticked and
Marked as fully verified (Government document showing my address, drivers license
showing photo ID, and front side of credit card ). I have read all their terms and
conditions and they state that it takes 5 days for the accounts department to review
the request.
25/6/20 - checked account to see if it had been processed yet, and left my account or whether
It was still pending but saw that the funds were now back in my account . Contacted
Live chat to enquire why this was so & was simply just told ‘missing card’. After asking
Repeatedly what they meant by that, some half an hour later I was finally told that
The card was not on file , or the account I tried to withdraw money to had never
been used at the casino, but the card that I almost always use to deposit IS the
Card associated with the account that I tried to withdraw into. Anyway the agent
(Vinnie) told me to send the card to the accounts email address. I asked if the
withdrawal would then take place and was told, just send the card. I immediately
emailed the front side of the card to the email address given and then resubmitted
My withdrawal request. I asked in the email if it needed to wait another 5 days, and
said I was hoping it could be done once this was rectified.
25/6/20 - received reply from Pete stating that the card had now been verified and had been
added to my file with other documents, and all was in order, and to make the
withdrawal request again (which I had already done), and was told that it would be
processed on Monday (3 days time). There was no mention of any other required
Documents, and he said all was good to go.
30/6/20 - logged into my account expecting to see the money gone but it was still showing
as withdrawal pending so I replied to Pete’s email asking why, and received
a reply, now from Eric saying that the review would take place in 3 days time.
I replied saying that I was told it would be Monday and his reply was that it
Can take longer due to volume but it would definitely be that week.
1/7/20 - logged in to see what had happening and found the funds now sitting back in
My casino account to use for the 3rd time! I sent 7 seperate emails over the
course of the day and night trying to find out what was going on , with no reply to any of
them so I again contacted live chat and was told this time that the reason was missing
card. After arguing for some time trying to explain that I had just been through that
scenario 5 days earlier, and forwarding him the copy of Eric’s email stating it would be
done Monday, he said ‘oh yes I see that now’ and then said the reason it was back in
my account was because I hadn’t sent in my bank statement and could I do that straight
away then resubmit the request for withdrawal. I started to get a little annoyed and
explained I couldn’t see why this would be needed as there is no information on there
that they don’t already have, And that this is private information and that I wasn’t happy
to do this. Also asked if this meant I had to wait another 5 days again for a third time
and was told that I did. I asked to be put on to the account Manager and was told that
was Kevin but he had gone and now it was him (the person with whom I was on chat
with). I said good, can u please tell me why my account is showing as fully verified and
why a bank statement was necessary, he replied ‘take it up with accounts, I am just a
sole messenger’, and I said I thought u just said u were manager, and he then ended
the chat.
I emailed Eric again with and expressed my
annoyance with what was going on. I asked if they could confirm that they had on file,
my license, credit card, document with address , and now my statement, and if there
were any other documents that I needed to be submit to facilitate my withdrawal
request. I also asked why I was not told about the bank statement when I was told the
First time the funds were returned to my account, that the reason was missing
card, and told that it was good to go ahead with making withdrawal request again. I
also asked if they were stalling.
2/7/20 - When I received Eric’s reply, he simply stated that the bank statement was now on file,
and to go ahead with withdrawal request which would again be reviewed in 5 days
time for the 3rd time. He didn’t answer any of my questions, but he did say that
The additional documents are only required at time of review (even though my request
had supposedly already been reviewed twice by this stage and funds returned to
my account with no mention of any other required documents until I questioned it).
I sent my bank statement and asked for confirmation of receipt, and asked if there
Was now going to be anything else holding up the withdrawal request , and some
Hours later I received a reply stating they had received documents and they’d been
added to my file and to allow 5 days for review to take place (AGAIN), and then , the
Kicker!! His next line .... ‘i can see that you haven't filled out the respective vouchers for
your 2 cards on file. Please print the attached document, fill it out with the information
of each card and send back to us at your earliest convenience’. I sent 4 seperate
emails in reply to this and as yet have had no response whatsoever !!!! It is
3/7/20 today. The ‘vouchers’ that they now want me to fill out and return are some
sort of dodgy authority form to allow them to deposit into my bank account! There
is nothing on that form that they don’t already have and it is clearly nothing more
Than yet another stall tactic . I have not returned the form to them , and have not
received any replies.

Please find attached all relevant correspondence as evidence.
I am really hoping you can help me with this as I am absolutely at my wits end and don’t know what else to do.
Status solved Resolved
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