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By D.
8 years ago
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I have been a player at bitstarz for ovwr 2 years have lost thousands and numerous times w9ndered if i should close my account. Noticed numerous glitches which i have screen shots of and raised with customer service constantly told its nothing to do with casino but with the software provides. Anyway over the past weekend spent thpusands and won nothing (which has gotten to be the norm here) on monday I emailed my vip manager and asked him could he please pay me my friday bonus early, which wpuldve been around the AU $500 mark being 8% of my deposits with no play through which was agreed with my vip manager over a year ago have emails to show this. So i emailed and said i had literally spent thousands with no wins and needed some of the money back and could he pay the friday bonus early cash it out and then close my account. He emails me back and says "Ive closed your account you have a gambling problem" so i asked if he could have left my account open until Friday 4 days away so i could atleast cash my bonus out myself? His response was "Account is closed and cannot be opened again" "And i cannot help with this" I also pointed out during these emails that i felt there was an issue with the slots as on the rare occasions I did win during play the slot would come up with an error message which i screen shotted not just from the last few days but from the last few months - have been told numerus times by support that they cant see when this happens and i need to repot ot straight away although im sure they could see everytime i have had to restart the game. Bitstarz have xheated me out of paying my loyalyy bonus by closing my account prior to awarded me the Friday loyalty bonus and in a quite deliberate fashion! I did tell the vio manager that i desperately needed the friday loyalty bonus back to aleast recoup some of the thousands i lost over 3 days and his automatic response was to close my account. I have kept emails from him over time. He has nly just now said i have a gambling problem which i am sure he may have noticed earlier! I am not happy at all about this. As I mentioned have played here for over 2 years the vip manager could have had the decency to leave the account open until friday to allow me to cash out my loyalty bonus. So bitstarz wins again
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Disputed Casino BitStarz Casino
Amount $500

Discussion

User name
Hi there,

First of all, we'd like to see people take personal responsibility of their gambling, and upon receiving emails hinting potential gambling abuse, our first step is to inform you about limits, and to take the gambling down a notch, which we have (please check your emails). However, your last email was the straw that broke the camel's back. Upon hinting multiple times that you are desperate to get the money back, we had to make a decision to close it.

From a responsible gambling perspective, anyone with experience in this would have made the same decision. All members at BitStarz have gone through Responsible Gambling training, and the decision in your case was confirmed by our Customer Support Manager.

We've always kept our word to you during your time as a player, and maintained and honored our 8% deal with you, even on weeks where you have had less deposits than an average player. So claiming that we're trying to skimp out on a deal with you is frankly quite preposterous. Also, as mentioned, if this conspiracy theory that BitStarz would close your account just to avoid the cashback was true, then how come that wasn't done during a time where you had losses of up to twice the amount you lost last week?

As someone who has been extremely accommodating to your very request, honored the deal for a very long time, and always been of great service to you, I think it's quite hurting to receive a message that indicated that we're trying to deceive you. But I honestly don't think that you mean that. I honestly think you're just desperate to get some money back, and with that argumentation and messages received here, I believe you're confirming our original suspicion of being a problem gambler.

Kind Regards,

Olle Dickson
BitStarz.com
User name loyalty-level-2
I have numerous expressed distress at the amounts i was gambling i have attached screenshots of emails. For instance i deposited 14000+ in a week and emailed saying i was diatressed about this and you can see what the reply was there are numerous times i expressed this and numerous times my account shouldve been closed but butstarz let me deposit thousands again and then closed my account prior to the friday loyalty bo us being awarded. i have numerous emails i had sent to my "vip" manager i have attached just handful. As bitstarz is now claiming that they closed the account prior to the friday bonus as i had a gambling problem well that would have been easily identifiable earlier. So again iam certain bitstarz closed the account to avoid the friday bonus that i asked to be awarded and cash out immediately. There are still more emails which i can screenshot and upload. It seems bitstarz choose when they feel you are a problem gambler and as i mentioned numerous times the red flags were raised. BITSTARZ ARE AVOIDING THE FRIDAY LOYALTY. The answer to someone saying they are distressed about how much they played through is to give them a bonus of 8 percent with no play through i have fordwarded emails to ask gamblers
User name
Hi there,

As for the email received about giving you 8% in cash instead of bonus money, I cannot find anything in that email implying that you've had gambling problem. You mentioned that you didn't like wagering requirements and therefore wanted a cash reward instead.

Furthermore, we always try to warn players at once we feel that he or she is hinting problems, and helping them to take the first step towards closing the account, or putting limits. I have kindly asked you in the past to take this first step yourself, but at some point, we just have to take action. When you at multiple times hinted that you desperately needed money back, we had to make a decision to close your account permanently, because at that time, it was beyond doubt that you needed help.

It seems to me that you're claiming that this is an elaborate scheme not to pay out your bonus reward, however, if that was our intent, then how come we didn't choose to do it on the above date you're mentioning? That amount would have be quite a bit higher than the amount you're disputing.

Regards,

Olle
User name loyalty-level-2
I find this reply and the use of rules in regards to problem gambling completely unjustified olle. Yes you may have accodated me during my time at bitstarz but was not also you who received a similar email to this in august last year after i had played through nearly 10000 in one day? Your answer was to instead of award me 15% of my weekly deposits you would give me an 8% no play through bonus as a friday loyalty bonus? So at that time you would have also been on bteach of your commitment to problem gambling???? And also if that was the case you wouldve closed my account on many occasions prior to this. So it is as i stated a ploy by bitstarz to keep my friday bonus and nothing to do with responsible gaming. I also have copies of emails and since you have pointed out you would be in breach of gaming regulations than i shall be lodging a formal complaint with the appropriate services. After playing through almost 10000 and displaying the same issue you continued to allow me to do the same thing for another 14 months. And again it is to avoid paying the friday bonus. Askgamblers please see first attachmemt above where olle offered the 8% no play through friday loyalty - that was after he had received a similar email about the loss of nearly 10000 dollars in 1 day in August of 2016

BitStarz Casino Complaint Stats

Resolved 18 / 18
Avg. Amount $2,639
Avg. Complaint Duration 3 days
Avg. Response Time 1 day

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Original Deposit Not Returned After Failed Verification

Good day

I have an issue with BitStarz Bitcoin Online Casino.

On the 28th of December 2020 I requested a withdrawal after making 5 deposits into my BitStarz online casino account. In total it was 9.89678893 BTC.

Here is the Bitcoin Address I paid to and the Blockchain link showing the transactions.

Address: 37wzzF7M1NZVpVRhimXhS4pebXRiwRPyxp

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/37wzzF7M1NZVpVRhimXhS4pebXRiwRPyxp


During my gambling session, I won roughly 30 BTC. I made a withdrawal request and shortly after I received an email from Sean at from BitStarz Support (Ticket #W82TG) asking for Verification Documents.

I then sent what they requested.

- A copy of my passport.

- A photo of my face (selfie) with my government issued passport with a paper with the word Bitstarz and the date.

- My proof of address.

Doing that already made me uncomfortable because the whole reason for using Bitcoin is to stay anonymous. However, I did as they requested.

Later that day, I received a phone call from one of the Bitstarz support / finance department personal. I have spoken to him and he seemed satisfied.

Yes, after all of this, they reversed my withdrawal. I had over 40 BTC in my account. During some more gambling, I have lost and my remaining balance was +- 22 BTC.

After this, I received an email saying that they are blocking my account until they are satisfied with my verification. Which I've already sent to them.

As things stand now, my account is blocked. I cannot get access to the +- 12 BTC I've won, not even my own 9.89678893 BTC that I have deposited.

After numerous emails back and forth, I have requested that they return my original 9.89678893 BTC to the original address that I've sent it from. In turn, I received an email saying that they have seized the BTC.

In my layman understanding of this is that they are not satisfied with my verification and refuse to return my original BTC to the original address it was sent from. In other words, they literally stole 9.89678893 BTC from me. I have done what they asked and they still are not satisfied.

I humbly request that you assist me in this matter. 9.89678893 BTC is a lot of money that I cannot just write off. They said something in one of the emails about AML legislation etc which is absolutely ridiculous. All I ask is that they return my original 9.89678893 BTC to the addresses it was sent from then there is no AML issues at all. Yes, they refuse and by the looks of things they want to steel my 9.89678893 BTC and the winnings on top of that.

I really hope that you would be able to assist me in this matter.

Kind regards,

Petrus < surname removed >

Status rejected Rejected
BTC10
Unjustified duplicate account accusations and confiscated winnings
Hi, I write to you from Denmark with an issue with Bitstarz. They refuse to cooperate on this mattter.

A couple of days ago I signed up on 2 Direx N.V. casinos , Bitstarz (and Golden Star), where I deposited and played.
I actually checked on here that they accept players from Denmark, which they do.

On my second deposit of 100 EUR started to get some winnings, and made an withdrawal of EUR 2000 .
I got an email asking for the verification documents, which I provided instantly. (attached)
I later cancelled the withdrawal and ended up winning more, and withdrawed in total EUR 3800.
Now this is when the nightmare starts.

I got an email from support stating that I have played using 2 accounts, and have used the welcome bonus 2 times,
and gives me an email and an fake ID issued in the UK. (see comments) I thought I'd faint , as this is very serious.


Now, the fact is that I live in Denmark , it's not my email , and I have not registered an account in the UK that I play with.

Even though IF the fact were that I lived in the UK and in some way had an account, I still would not be able to play on BitStarz as stated in their T&C. 3.7

"If you are a player from Spain, Sweden, France, the UK, The Netherlands, Dutch West Indies and Curacao, US or any of its states, you won't be allowed to play real money wagering games including bitcoins."

I have asked them to send all the details for the supposed active second account, but they refuse to cooperate, and are threatening me, with that I should withdraw 100 EUR or I will loose them as well. (see comments in the conversation)

They falsely accuse me of playing on duplicate accounts using the same danish IP address, which I have asked for proof of, but they refuse to send this , and only (repetedly) ask me to withdraw 100 EUR so they can close my account. I have also asked for logs when "I" have been logged in on this other account, dates and times. They do not want to send anything I ask for, and I am in shock over the whole situation. This is a behaviour I have never encountered before.

I refer to their T&C 6.3
"In the event of any dispute, you agree that the records of the server shall act as the final authority in determining the outcome of any claim."

As they don't want to provide records of the duplicate account, the dispute is only looked at from their side.


If looking further at the T&C's it says that only one account per IP, household and PC is allowed. That is of course standard for any casino, - I am always aware of the casino TC's. But in this situation it doesn't add up , they do not wish to cooperate, and I am left frustrated and sad that people can be like this.

Thankful for any help.
Status rejected Rejected
€3,800
Inadequate assistance with a game glitch

Bitstar game "The Nutcracker kicker me out up in getting 5 x free spin symbols after putting several thousand dollars into the machines.

Issue occurred Friday 6 Sept 2019 @15:54pm. at the time I had 17 free games remaining an was already on a x 4 win multiplier with 17 games remaining. Butstarz strung me along telling me that I would receive an email and that the game would be fixed and finally telling me almost 3 days later that I could log in and culd resume my feature if I again removed all cookies and history and did a fresh log in or used another device. I dd this repeatedly for several more days loging in daily and advising again that the game would allow me back in:

Customer Service last message was on Mon, 09/09/19 12:14 pm saying that the game had been fixed.

I followed up imediately 10 minutes later o@ Mon, 09/09/19 12:25 pm advising that the game kept booting me despite the instructions I'd been given having been completed repeatedly. Supplying both error screen shots and asking for resolution.

I then follow up via the ticket lof and I believe via support aswell checking the game on a daily basis. Post Bitstarz last contact I have email message via the ticket on the following dates:

4 Days +6 hrs Tuesday, 10 September 2019 10:41:06 pm - My free games still hasn’t returned, I can log in to the game but no free spins, and

upon attempting to spin the reels I get the attached error message. Further screen shots attached showing the error messages received proving issue not resolved and asking for a url I might be able to access the game through manually.

"6 Days + 16 Hours after incident "Friday 13 September message saying that it is almost a week and I hadn;t heard from anyone since the

NO RESPONSE 2019, 2:08:22 am" previous Monday, just long enough for the deposits to clear from the CC then I didn't hear from them again in response to any of my message. Advised that isn't sorted by then i’ll lodge an official complaint with your licensing body, and report the to ask gamblers. I don’t want to take that route, But have no chouce as I;m not hearing from them. Still heard nothinig.

6 days + 19 hrs Emailed Nick Head of casino Who emailed me regarding a big winner so I responded syaing that I;ve been waiting over a week for a resolution and without any update to repeated inquiries at all for 5 days so instead of self promoting why don;t you service the customers issues. AGAIN NO Response now as of Moday september 16th haven't heard back from anyone since Mon, 09/09/19 12:14 pm, not a peep in over a week and since all the transactions cleared. Voted best casino??? What a joke.

I have all the screen shots from the game, all the communications about the issues and proof of issue game number just need an email address to send it.

Status rejected Rejected
Unjustified accusations and confiscation of deposit

BitStarz Casino,

20 Free Spins yielded a win. A maximum withdrawal amount of up to 0.3BCH after playthrough is met according to the Term Agreement. However the system would not allow me to submit a withdrawal request. The crypto address field is disabled and so I sought the assistance of a BitStarz support hero. Here comes Henry to save the day! Henry reviews the account for a minute and figured: “ To enable the withdrawal method you need to make deposit with it.” I asked how much, it was 0.14BCH (chat log attached in this email)

I made my deposit as instructed. As I waited for confirmations to complete, I realized I need to know what will happen to my deposit of 0.15BCH which was added to my post playthrough balance of .528BCH at the time. I opened chat again (spoke to Mark) and was advised to add my deposit on top of the 0.3BCH. I submitted the withdrawal in the amount of 0.45490560BCH. After the cashout confirmation email process, I received an email from Richard that said they found my account as duplicated and is a violation of BitStarz’s T&C. And all funds in my account has been seized in full, the account was also disabled and I can no longer login. I thought maybe there was a mistake and so I asked to be sent a copy or documentation of this alleged violation charged against me. BitStarz replied saying there is no charge. Claimed that multiple accounts were linked to my account and so a decision was made to confiscate the full balance. (Transcript of conversation attached with this email)

Now I’m really confused and frustrated. I have been accused of a violation but refused to provide evidence to substantiate the charge. Denied me access to my winnings and deposit monies. But no there is no charge against you. Are you serious? This is the best you can come up with? I wonder how many others experienced my situation.

Here’s another view of the scenario:

Status solved Resolved
Cannot get my winnings

I recently signed up and made several deposits using my credit cards totalling almost 1200$. I played and requested to withdraw 900. However, they wont pay me back to my credit card and only are giving me the instadebit and ecopayz options. I do not have either of those. My instadebit account was closed several years ago and cannot open another. And i dont have the ability to open an ecopayz. So they say they wont pay out my winnings. I physically cannot open those accounts/options so they told me I lost all money/deposits. I have the chat transcript where they told me this.

Andrew Thu, 04/25/19 08:33:58 pm America/Rankin_Inlet

Hello. How may I help you?

momo84 08:33:58 pm

Hi. I am from canada and trying to withdraw, but unfortunately my instadebit accont is blocked, and i cannot get access to my ecopayz..

Andrew 08:34:47 pm

you will need one of these unfortunately

momo84 08:35:05 pm

but i dont, so what do you expect me to do?

i cant force them to give me an account

Andrew 08:35:41 pm

you will need to gain access unfortunately

momo84 08:35:50 pm

they wont let me

what dont you understand

Andrew 08:35:59 pm

i understand

you need to please understand that these are your two options

so you will need to gain access

momo84 08:36:26 pm

and i cnnot gain access

so how do you expect me to

i have been in contact with them, and i cannot get access

Andrew 08:36:58 pm

you will need to use one of these methods or you cannot withdraw

momo84 08:37:08 pm

so i lose my money?

i need to speak to somone who can help me. i deposited in good faith with my credit csrd. now i want to withdraw and i cannot

that isnt fair

Andrew 08:37:56 pm

you will need to use one of the methods

i am best placed to help in this scenario

momo84 08:38:17 pm

oh my god. I CANNOT use those methods

Andrew 08:38:24 pm

then you cannot withdraw

momo84 08:38:26 pm

the company wont open my account!!!!!

Andrew 08:38:33 pm

then you cannot withdraw

momo84 08:38:38 pm

so i deposited and lost all mu money

Andrew 08:38:57 pm

unfortunately if they will not open the account yes

momo84 08:39:03 pm

wow

Andrew 08:39:19 pm

is there anything else i can help you with?

momo84 08:39:21 pm

you cannot just take peoples money

Andrew 08:39:36 pm

we did not, you are saying the two options we gave you will not work

we gave you those options and so you need to make them work otherwise you cannot withdraw

is there anything else i can help you with?

momo84 08:40:25 pm

i want to escalate this

this is not fiar

this was supposed to be a reputable casino

Andrew 08:40:52 pm

it is

unfortunately there is no escalating this

momo84 08:41:01 pm

and i deposited. its not my fault i cannot withdraw and im from canada so you wont put it back to my credit card

Andrew 08:41:19 pm

those are the two options

if there is nothing else to add i will need to close the chat unfortunately

momo84 08:41:40 pm

so i just lost 1200@

Andrew 08:41:55 pm

unless you get one of the methods yes unfortunately

Status rejected Rejected
$900