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By Lisa S.
9 years ago
Casino Ventura rejected my withdrawal on my first big win (46000SEK). In the email I received, they told me to contact support for further explanations. I contacted support and first they told me that my withdrawal was declined because I had used several 100% bonuses in a row which is not accepted according to their therms and conditions. That I could prove wrong – or they did it themselves. The focus moved directly to claim "irregular gameplay" – that I had no deposits not using a bonus. That this is not allowed is not stated in their terms. When I signed up at Casino Ventura I choose a what they called "bonus path" – a bonus was offered on every deposit. How can they offer such thing and then argue it is irregular gameplay? I don't see what I have done wrong. I want my money.
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AskGamblers Complaints Team have been provided with valid evidence on behalf the management of Casino Ventura where it is clearly displayed that player breached casino's bonus terms #3.1 and #4.1

3.4 Account Limits
Each promotion has its own terms and conditions which are published on the Casino Ventura’s Promotions page under each promotion’s descriptive text and/or on Casino Ventura Terms & Conditions in article 4. By participating in the promotions and/or accepting to receive the bonus(es) offered by Casino Ventura, the player automatically declares to also accept the terms and conditions for that particular promotion/bonus as well as the general promotions/bonus terms and conditions which are listed hereunder. In the event that a player does not understand how the promotion works, if he is eligible to participate, or does not understand the terms and conditions, the player can contact a member of Casino Ventura’s Customer Support via email or live chat for a more detailed explanation. In case of any dispute, the decision taken by Casino Ventura’s management is final. Casino Ventura also reserves the right to amend, add or remove any of the bonus/promotional terms and conditions. In case of any changes, the date of the last updated version will be published at the bottom of these terms and conditions. Players are kindly requested to regularly check the bonus terms and conditions for any amendments/updates. In case of any differences in the terms and conditions between the English and the other languages displayed on the Casino Ventura website, the English language version will always prevail.

4.1 General Bonus Terms and Conditions 
[..] Other examples of irregular gameplay includes (but are not limited to): [..] (ii) claiming multiple hundred percent (100%) deposit bonuses without any other deposit in between. Player betting patterns and activity are constantly monitored and in case of bonus abuse, Casino Ventura reserves the right to cancel, suspend or lock any player account found guilty of abuse as well as void/revoke any pending gaming activity and refund the original deposit. Casino Ventura can also decide at its own discretion to ban any player from participating in Casino Ventura’s promotions for a definite or indefinite period of time as decided by Casino Ventura’s management.

Based on the above, AskGamblers Complaints Team consider this case as Resolved and it is now officially closed. In the case of a violated casino or bonus terms and regardless of the fact whether player consider these terms as fair or not, AskGamblers Complaints Team is not able to help, because we are adamant in our position that the rules are made to be respected and followed. All matters concerning the fairness of a particular casino or bonus term/s player could address directly to the casino's licensing authority as they are the only one who could void that rule or force the casino to change it.
 
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After the third time I violated the rule I did not get any notification about you drawing a line. This I found out right now – after a big win and a rejected withdrawal, a couple of deposits later. I won on a deposit using a 100% bonus. The deposit before that was on a deposit using a 60% bonus (no win).

I have never said that you have forced me to violate the terms. What I did was my mistake, and probably a common one. What I think is unethical is your way of encourage mistakes and not drawing the line until the player wins. I have no opinion on whether your rules are fair or not – only about your way of applying them.
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Dear Lisa,

Thank you for your feedback. We are very generous with our bonuses, but we do ask from our players to respect our rules. I'm sorry to say that you didn't.

You have played and withdrawn many times during your stay with us, so I don't think you are in any position to call us unfair. After you violated the terms for the 3th time we had no other choice but to draw the line. This would have happened with or without any winning.

It's easy to say "I didn't know", and it's even easier to blame someone else. We didn't force you to violate the terms and we believe our terms to be fair. Our bonuses are intended for recreational purposes only. Please note that it is obligated to confirm that you have read and accepted the terms and conditions upon creating an account, and in the description of all our promotions there is an link to the terms and conditions reminding you of the rules that apply.

Kind regards,
Sarah
User name loyalty-level-2
I understand that you are gaining a lot of money by having this rule. In order to stand up for fair play I suggest you to only offer bonuses that the player actually can win money on. Since you also offer a 100% bonus on every 5th deposit it must be easy for you to also keep track on what bonuses the players not are entitled to use. It is easy to accept the bonuses that are offered and if everything seems fine you don't suspect that you are doing something wrong. From my side, this has been honest misstakes that I did not know I had made until now. It seems cruel only to "investigate" the players deposits after a big win. It should be easy for you to change the way you are offering bonuses. Then you don't need that rule you are referring to and you don't need to spend time "investigating", looking for "bonus abusers". Stand up for fair play and don't abuse players that make misstakes.

With the above stated facts, I still argue that I'm entitled of my winnings.

If you think that you are fair but claiming players are not, at least you should pay back all the deposits that I made with no chans winning on. The same for all other players that have made the same misstake.

Casino Ventura Complaint Stats

Resolved 8 / 10
Avg. Amount $249
Avg. Complaint Duration 5 days
Avg. Response Time 2 days

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Missing funds
Hello Askgamblers, I wrote earlier but it was rejected, I hope this time I have compiled everything necessary.

1.- On April 24, I deposit 100 dollars in the casino Ventura without bonus, i betting in blackjack and my final balance was 140. attached image of the deposit "deposit to casino ventura 100 dollars 24th april" and "confirmation, deposit to casino ventura 100 dollars 24th april"

2.- on May 27 he made a withdrawal of 140 dollars, attached image "confirmation, deposit to casino ventura 100 dollars 24th july"

3.- On July 7 I tried to access my account but it was not possible, then contacted the support and told me that I did not have an account with them, it was then that they explained me that they migrated their website and some accounts were not migrated correctly between them mine, so they asked for my account details to restore it. attached image "they created my new password but my balance was zero 24th july", later I will create my password but my balance was 0.attached image "they created my new password but my balance was zero 24th july"

4.- since then the i was contacting support and they do not want to return my balance. his argument is that they gave me 50 dollars of bonus which i does not accept and that they refuse to give me back my 140 dollars, because of his administration make his decision, as it can be seen totally biased affecting my balance and stealing the 140 dollars.
attached images "contact by email 05th August", "contact by email 24th july" and "contact by email 24th octuber"

5.-You can see the balance in my account is 0 and I have not historical record of bets and transfers, because migration. attached images "my account casino ventura-balance 0-no bets alls time" and "account details casino ventura"


Then, ask you Askgamblers to do justice in my case and instruct the casino to return my balance 140 dollars. thanks.
Status unsolved Unresolved
$140
Closed account and not paying my winnings
I opened the casino a few years ago, made many deposits and withdrawals, I do not remember the time when I made the last deposit and withdraw money when I can not access my account, after some time my twin brother opens a casino account (other IP and Computer, other residence address, another person) he makes only one deposit and does not use the bonus, He makes only one deposit and wins nothing. casino linked the two accounts, recognizes as a duplicate sic! It's not true, there is another person with another computer and other address of residence, only this same City. I played later on my account and won 2600e, a few months ago, It was long time I do not remember the exact date and amount of the last deposit, I can not verify it because I can not log into the casino account. I contacted them for chat and several times they assure me that if my twin brother will verify the account the documents will be my account will be unlocked, My twin brother sends all docs + selfie, they still do not answer, they do not unlock the account, contact with this casino is very difficult. This casino looks every smallest reason not to pay the winnings, I do not understand how such a casino can have a trusted status. terms: Only one bonus offer is allowed per player, account, address, computer and IP address. CasinoVentura.com reserves the right to close any account that is deemed a duplicate account, and confiscate the funds of this account. Bonuses only one account used, my brother opened acc another computer, address, ip etc, and not used bonus.
Status solved Resolved
Confiscated legitimate winnings without proper justification
I opened a casino account Casinoventura a year ago, made a lot of deposits and withdraws money, On last Monday ( 19.06.1988) I made a 88e deposit and received a 100% bonus, I made the required bet and made a withdrawal of 2000e , Today I received a return only my last deposit. (88e) I always read the exact terms and is sure I no broke the rules of the casino, casino did not give any reason and evidence that it broke some rules, I do not understand the casino's decision and why they do not give a reason why they steal my money. Casino believes that I broke the rules: 4.1 General Bonus Terms and Conditions To ensure fair play and the proper use of bonuses, Casino Ventura considers betting [...]claiming multiple hundred percent (100%) deposit bonuses without any other deposit in between. Player betting patterns and activity are constantly monitored and in case of bonus abuse, Casino Ventura reserves the right to cancel, suspend or lock any player account found guilty of abuse as well as void/revoke any pending gaming activity and refund the original deposit. Casino they think I made deposits a few times each in a row using a 100% bonus, it's not true. I made deposits between taking a 100% bonus. Casino is lying. The casino does not show any evidence. Each casino may write that it has broken rules or that the player is a bonus abuse but it is necessary to prove, casino Ventura will not prove that I broke the rules, I am more than certain,
Status unsolved Unresolved
€2,000
Refuses to pay honest winnings claiming mysterious ''technical default''
I've had the pleasure of trying some different Casino's and since I'm new to this world I was a little hesitant and worried what kind of people were running these sites. To my surprise I have to say I'm positively surprised. EVERY Casino I've won at have paid the full amount of my winnings. Some have been slow to pay out but with a little reminding they've always fulfilled their duties, except ONE. ONE casino stands out: CASINO VENTURA DO NOT PLAY THIS CASINO!!! I played slots and won 2500USD on my first deposit that included a welcome bonus. I played through the wagering requirements. I then sent a request for a withdrawal to make sure this was ALSO an honest casino. I got a response that my withdrawal was denied. Nothing more. I emailed the cashier but did not get a response at first. So I asked in the chat. They looked into my case and found the following to say about the reason for my withdrawal being denied: The winnings have been forfeited according to terms and conditions due to fraudulent behavior and taking unfair advantage. I then questioned how I'd been "fraudulent and unfair" when I've played exactly according to their requirements. I then get a fairly surprising email that "the winnings have occured after a technical default and that they don't believe I was responsible for this" and that they've credited MY DEPOSIT back to my balance.... THANKS! SO, they blame these winnings on a technical default on their end.. (the games were working fine all this time, by the way) and because of this they've stripped me from 2500USD and returned 100 instead. Perhaps they thought I'd be happy and could start over winning again... well, what's the reason really, when you can't win at this site without being "fraudulant and unfair" or that, God forbids, there should be ANOTHER technical default. I've followed up and let them know that I will spread this at gamblers forums, not to be an ******** but to WARN other players of CASINO VENTURA. They brought it up for review with their management for further investigation and decided that the decision they took remains final. Bottomline: they have admitted it's their fault and still feels I don't have the right to my honestly won winnings as you can see in the mail conversations provided via the screen dumps attached. And more importantly, there is no breach of bonus terms, this is not a delay in payment. This is fraud straight up and down and I have the emails to prove it. They took a chance at not paying and I've offered Casino Ventura several times to resolve this matter but to no avail. I've been polite in my emails and the only thing I've done is to tell them that I will go to askgamblers and even so they decided to not pay the money. Thanks for your time. Best Regards /Simon simmespelet
Status solved Resolved