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request for notorised documents


I won some money on the winner bingo site last week, and following on from that I also won £250 cash as part of their 12 days of Christmas promotion.

I've since requested a withdrawal for some of the money and received an email the next day requesting notorised copies of my passport, a utility bill, and proof of ownership of my moneybookers account that I used to deposit.

Firstly, I contacted moneybookers and they told me there's no such thing as a "proof of ownership" for their accounts, so the best thing I could do is probably send them a copy of the email. Secondly, the address that they've requested I send the documents too is a PO box in the Phillipines. Since the company is based in Gibralter I believe, it seems outrageous that they would ask me to send notorised personal documents that could potentially be used in a fraud into a country that they apparently aren't even based in. Not to mention that this will likely cost a lot of money to get the documents notorised and to send them by courier. Finally, I don't think I can send by recorded delivery because the address they've given me is a PO box.

I've spoken to support and I'm more than willing to send any documents by email, or to send notorised documents to somewhere in the UK or Gibralter, but I'm not willing to put myself at risk by sending them to an unknown place in the Phillipines. They've responded that unless I do so they will refuse to process and withdrawal or return any money.

Is there anyway around this at all? Obviously I won't ever be using this joke of a company again, but I'm worried I'm not going to even get my money back at all. I'm wondering if it's possible to take legal action in this scenario or anything?

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User name

We would like to summarize the details of this case. The player deposited 200 pounds in the Bingo cashier of which he then subsequently received Bingo bonuses relating to that deposit. The player then used the 200 pounds deposit he made in the Bingo cashier to place a sports bet, this contravened our terms and conditions of the Bingo bonus as the player had to play within Bingo product in order for his bonus to be valid. The player was able to use the bonuses in Bingo and was able to generate winnings with them.

At the time the player was playing with his Bingo bonuses Winner Bingo was running a promotion in which a random player who played in the Bingo product would receive a 250 pounds cash bonus. The player in question won this bonus. The 200 pounds sports bet the player placed won with returns of £236.36. His total winnings in the Bingo and Sports Product along with the £250 cash bonus totaled £722.34. As the player was not eligible for the bonus as he did not use his deposit in the Bingo bonus we removed the winnings received with that bonus along with the 250 pounds 12 days of Christmas bonus as he won that with a bonus he was not entitled to.

We subsequently have cut the amount of £536.38 from the original £722.34 request and refunded the amount of £236.36 that was won from the sports bet. The withdrawal was processed on the 31st of December to the players Moneybookers account. If the player has not yet received this we ask that he contacts our customer support team who will be able to provide subsequent proof that the withdrawal was successful so he can take the matter up with Moneybookers.

User name loyalty-level-2

This is a further complaint after the one I had recently on this site which I had hoped was resolved. You can see the details of the complaint by clicking the link below:


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They finally agreed to remove the request for notorized documents to be sent to the Philippines as you can see in their response, so I then logged in again and tried to withdraw.


The withdrawal didn't go through (I've been waiting well over a month now) so I went on live chat to check it out and was told that they still haven't received my notorized documents. I explained the situation and after well over an hour on live chat I received an email asking for written confirmation that the document request had been removed. I sent this through as requested.


I assume this was accepted (although they didn't confirm this with me by email). I then received an email saying that I have now been accused of bonus abuse and all of my winnings have been removed. The part of the terms and conditions that they've accused me of breaking wasn't written into the terms and conditions of the offer at the time that I did it and has subsequently been added.


The bonus in question was a 300% sign up bonus and the mistake I made was to bet part of it on sports rather than bingo (all with the same company). The major issue I have with this however, is that after completing the bonus requirements for the sign up offer, I later received a £250 cash bonus as part of the "12 days of Christmas" promotion which was separate from any bonus that I had done before. This was a cash win that came out of the blue and I received an email asking me to send in a picture and testimonial so I could be put on the site.


Well, low and behold, the £250 cash has now been removed from my account as well as the winnings from the other bonus offer that I've been accused of abusing. Confiscating my winnings from that one is bad enough (since they manipulated the terms to suit themselves) however I can accept that if it meant getting the rest of my money back. The fact that they have now stolen ANOTHER £250 for absolutely no reason is mind blowingly ridiculous. They openly admit that I didn't break any terms or conditions, but they just decided to remove that as well as the other winnings and bonus.


I went on live chat with the bingo team again this morning top question this and you just couldn't make this stuff up. They AGAIN said to me that I needed to send in notorised documents. I told them FOR A THIRD TIME that this had been waivered and showed them the confirmation I had in writing, and after another hour on live chat they accepted that and told me they had removed the lock on my account for withdrawals AGAIN.


So that's where I am now,


-STILL NO SIGN OF A WITHDRAWAL after over a month of waiting.

-Well over 3 hours spent on live chat as they STILL tried to get me to send notorized documents after clearly stating on this site that I didn't have to anymore.

-Over £250 taken from me for alleged bonus abuse.

-£250 stolen from me WITHOUT ANY BONUS ABUSE, just because they felt like it with no explanation at all.

-Still completely refused any contact with the finance team or anyone involved with making the decision to steal these funds from me. I simply get passed from one section to another, and have to explain the whole situation again and explain why I don't have to send notorized documents in.


After all of this, I'm even willing to accept the false accusation of bonus abuse and over £250 being taken away, but I refuse to accept that they can steal £250 cash from the account from a bonus that THEY THEMSELVES ADMIT I didn't abuse as it was a totally separate promotion.


If they are willing to let me withdraw my deposit and the £250 christmas promo cash, I will end this complaint now and not pursue it any further. The ball is in your court.

User name

Dear adjones56,

We would like to inform you that the decision for the requested documents has been overturned in the interests of moving the issue forwards. As the documentation request was overturned the pending withdrawal was released. If documents were still required then this would not be the case and the withdrawal would still be frozen. We can confirm that the withdrawal was process on 31 December 2013 and the funds should be with the customer shortly.

We hope this now resolves the issue and should the customer need any further assistance we are at their disposal.

User name loyalty-level-2

I've now had ANOTHER request for notarized documents, that's 4 times now they've asked AFTER confirming that I no longer need to send them.

Absolute bunch of liars, total crooks.

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Avg. Amount $3,700
Avg. Complaint Duration 45 days
Avg. Response Time 3 days

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Unable to make withdrawal

I have made my first deposit of 2500 Eur on 29. October and played a little bit of poker that day. I needed my money and I have made withdraw request on 30. October which was declined. I have received an email that I did not wager enough of my deposited funds in order to make a withdraw. After that, I was contacted by their representative which asked a lot of question and asked me to send them my paychecks from the bank for the last 3 months which I did: I have also verified my account before that. After that, they have sent me an email that my account is verified and that I need to rollover my deposit in order to make a withdrawal but rollover must be done in casino section and they have told me that I cannot play poker on their site anymore and they have blocked poker games for me. I thought I will try to lose as less as I can and decided to play roulette. I have played 67 roulette games where I covered every single number on roulette and I was losing 1Eur per round. I made rollover of 2500 euros and thought I can make a withdraw now but my withdrawal request was declined again with the explanation that only slots have 100% wager percentage contribution and roulette has only 25%. I tried to make a withdraw in the amount of only 20Eur but was declined again. I have sent them a few emails but they were not responding and they blocked live chat for me. I have called them and tried to get an explanation for all of that but they are just telling me that this is their decision and that I have to play some casino games in order to make a withdraw. My only purpose of depositing there was for playing poker and I do not feel comfortable to play casino games which they are forcing me to play. Basically, they are forcing me to lose my money on purpose. I have called them today again and asked from them to allow me to play poker and that I will play as much as they want because I know how to do it but they said because of security reasons poker will continue to be blocked for me. After that I have asked from them to close my account and if they want they can take some fee on my funds but they have said that it can not be done before I rollover my deposited amount in casino section. This is written in their terms and conditions:

"Closing your Account


53. If you wish to close your Account, please contact Customer Services (our contact details can be found here). You can do so at any time, provided that your Account is not expected to become in debit/deficit pursuant to any liabilities incurred through your gaming activities. On closing your Account, we will return the balance to you in accordance with the provisions of the "Deposits and withdrawals" section above."


I do not want to lose more of my money, I have already lost 67 Eur on purpose thinking I will be able to make a withdraw but now they are forcing me to play other games. Please help me with this, I am open to playing poker on their site to make needed rollover or for paying the fee for withdrawing the money.


Thank you



Status unsolved Unresolved
€2,500
Impossible to cash out
Winner casino have been nothing but a nightmare. It took 2 weeks of constant emailing back and forth things like my passport. My bank statements. They werenr happy. Thry asked for a picture of ne holding my passport with my arms visible. When i actually acconplished this. They claimed it wasnt clear and asked for another. I sent another which was the clearest photo you could imagine taking. The serial number iwas even readable.... THEY REJECTED IT. I finally gave up only to raise a complaint so.i could seek.outside help and much to.my amazement a vip manager emailed me saying my account was now verified. 2 weeks since i won the money i was actually able to request my withdrawal for £1000. Absolute miracle. Or not. I requested it on friday just gone. I was advised up to 2 business days to process it. On the third day iml queried it and was told it was 3 days. Its not the 4th day and each day i ask them.why its processes they give me a reassuring statement and tell me to wait for an update via email. Its been 3 weeks since i won money and winner just will not send it. I must add that the games at winner are great. Playtech you either hate or love them. The bonuses and sporrs bonuses are also great... but whats the point in great bonuses when its so difficult to actually get the casino to pay out? I hope this can be resolved and winner can gain my.trust because i would actualy like to use them again if this circumstance is rare. But as far as i can see at the moment its not rare
Status unsolved Unresolved
£1,000