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I started playing at this casino the other day and claimed their first deposit bonus right away. I made bets of SEK50 until I lost my whole balance which removed the active bonus from my account. Then I made a second deposit and received another bonus.
I started with SEK 5000 and started betting SEK 70. I continued playing and ended up having SEK 31800 that I managed to wager before I made a withdrawal. Everything was great, they congratulated me, asked for my documents, thanked me for sending them and told me to standby for further contact with the Finance Department.

Then I got the email from the Finance Department saying I had breached their terms by betting over 10% of my total balance and they had confiscated all my winnings! But that is not true! I logged into my account and reviewed all my bets during playing with the second deposit bonus (the one leading up to my winnings and withdrawal). And I found no faults done by me. My balance was NEVER even under SEK 2500 and therefor I wasn’t even close to breaching the 10% rule since the highest bet I made was SEK70.

So I contacted support and told them so and that I hade proof for that. Then they actually admitted that it was true that I hadn't breached any terms when playing my 2nd bonus! I thought: Great, now it will all be solved. But then they claimed that I had bet more than 10% while playing with my first bonus. But that bonus was already lost, I didn’t win anything from that one, the balance went to zero, and I was allowed to take a new bonus and try again. I understand that if I would have won while playing with my first bonus they would have the right to confiscate the winnings but I didn’t. And they do not have the right to confiscate winnings from a bonus where I did nothing wrong! Especially since they even admitted that I had done nothing wrong during that play! This casino just don’t want to pay my winnings and is trying everything!

AskGamblers could you please help?
I have made copies of my whole gameplay during the second bonus which proves that I played by the rules every single bet. It is too big to upload but I would be more than happy to sent it to you if you would like to review it?
Disputed Casino Mucho Vegas Casino
Amount kr28800

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AskGamblers Complaints Team have been in direct communication with the Mucho Vegas management over the last week in an attempt to find a possible solution for this complaint. Unfortunately, such a solution has not been achieved due to the fact that the AskGamblers Complaints Team refused to confirm the following:

A/ Player violated the following term:

"Please also note that a player can bet a maximum of €/$ 5.00, 50 SEK/NOK/ZAR or 10% of their current available balance (whichever is lower) on a given round or spin when using bonuses or winnings generated from bonuses (this does not apply to balances of €/$2, 20 SEK/NOK/ZAR or less)."

Based on the complete player's game log of to the session referring to his second deposit and bonus, we can confirm player did NOT violated the aforementioned rule. Player made 3734 bets and none of these bets was in violation of the max bet rule.

B/ Player was punished and his winnings confiscated due to violation of the max bet rule while playing with a deposit and attached bonus which player lost completely and before he made another deposit and claimed another bonus and with which player was lucky enough to win afterwards. Indeed, player violated the aforementioned rule by placing 24 bets in excess of the allowed max 10% of current balance, but his balance was lost completely prior making another deposit and claiming another bonus. Despite that, Mucho Vegas applied the following term:

"Betting a larger proportion of one’s balance on a single round or game can lead to the voiding of all winnings and bonuses."

We do not consider the application of this particular term to be justified, because the common interpretation of this rule /the interpretation which all other online casinos are using when applying the max bet bonus term and which AskGamblers Complaints team consider to be the only fair, justified and honest interpretation/ refers to all bonuses attached to the relevant deposit and NOT to ALL subsequent deposits.

Based on all the above, AskGamblers Complaints Team consider the confiscation applied by Mucho Vegas Casino on player's legitimate winnings as unfair and unjustified. Unfortunately, the casino team refused to comply with our decision and pay the player in full. Therefore, the complaint is being closed as Unresolved.
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AskGamblers Complaints Team requested additional evidence and information from the Mucho Vegas Casino team due to that fact we considered the information and proofs they presented so far as not justified enough to confirm the accusations against player.
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Mr Kalle L,

we have provided Ask Gamblers proof that you have violated the terms and conditions of the website but as you admit to it anyway this should not be necessary. We are respecting the process regardless.

I have already explained to you why your claim that violating the terms on one bonus offer should not affect the validity of your second bonus is not correct.

Violating the terms as you have done is bonus abuse and this behaviour has an impact on the overall integrity of the bonus program and we have had no choice but to void your winnings.

You are not eligible to take advantage of any more bonuses due to your clear breach of our terms. As I explained to you already these emails are sent by an automated system and you can disregard them or even better unsubscribe by following the link contained in every mailer that we send.

Best regards,

Mucho Vegas
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Waiting for AG to request documents to check my game play isn't quite that relevant, is it? Meaning since we both agreed that I havn´t breached any terms while playing Welcome Bonus 2. I accidently did when I was playing Welcome Bonus 1, but as your terms are saying, "the player automatically declares to also accept the terms and conditions for that particular promotion/bonus" And that bonus was as we both know lost and over with. I have no claims there as you shouldn't have any claims in bonus 2 where I played by the book.

And by the way, why are you then sending me multiple emails with even more bonus offers when you said that I am not allowed to play with any more bonuses? I guess that you are hoping that I will (naturally) assume I still can claim them since you email me about it so that you then retroactively can confiscate even more money from me?
I have got bonus offers from you to my email:
2017-01-30 19:21 (4 hours after you told me I was banned from bonuses and that you are stealing my money)
2017-02-03 13:03 (3 days after you told me I was banned from bonuses and that you are stealing my money)

But back to the biggets issue: I played your welcome bonus 2 and I did not breach any terms (as you also admit), why can't you just pay me the money that you wrongly confiscated, and everything is good. I will leave you alone for the rest of my life and wont tell anyone about it. Ok?

Mucho Vegas Casino Complaint Stats

Resolved 6 / 7
Avg. Amount $1,904
Avg. Complaint Duration 10 days
Avg. Response Time 1 day

Mucho Vegas Casino Complaints

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Delayed payment and no answers to emails
Hy Guys, need help i started a with drawl (100 euro) its complete confirmed and must be on the way. Unfortunately i dont get answer from the cashier on my mail, and support tell me cashier will mail me. But i dont get any contact and my money dont receive. I got a mail at the 7 june , they asked: Hello < name removed >, thank you for playing at Mucho Vegas Casino. Kindly we are contacting you in order to complete the payment of your winnings derived last 28/05/2018. We would like to ask you the following information so the payout can be sent out successfully, please note this information is required from our bank in order to process the transaction. - Your occupation/job/field of activity (full or part-time) Waiting on your kind reply, The Mucho Vegas Cashier [email protected] i answer them and ask for a confirming mail for me, this was my last contact to the Cashier. I send much mails with questions or infos and try to contact chat all few days. would be nice if u could help me, whats wrong maybe any error etc, just like to receive it, i extra deposited again for this withdrawal. INFOS; it is a withdrawal from a freebonus - its was capped to 100€ from the casino to cashout! i still have deposited before, and shortly after this withdraw. my account is totally verified (last mail about this issue from the casino: ello < name removed >, thank you for your mail. Your screenshots of credit card has been accepted. Unfortunately, we do not accept MasterCard credit cards as a payment method for withdrawal request . You can always use Wire Transfer for withdrawal requests, and make deposits with MasterCard credit card. Kind regards, The Mucho Vegas Cashier [email protected] I still have checked the Data i entered for my withdraw (BANKTRANSFER) before and just now before i wrote this complaint || no failure all data correct. DATA from transaction history : < personal info removed >
Status solved Resolved
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