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Here's my situation:

I signed up with this casino and received a free chip by email. After completing the wagering requirements I had some 700 euro listed as withdrawable in my account. I verified my account and requested a withdrawal, which was promptly declined. I checked through their terms, which stated that I would be able to withdraw max 100 from a free chip, and I had to make a deposit in order to do so.

So I did that (didn't opt for any deposit bonus), and lo and behold, I managed to win another 198 euro using my deposit of 13.92. Happy with my winnings, I decided to make another withdrawal.

This is where my problems begin. Not only was my request for the 100 from the free bonus denied, with accounting claiming that no winnings from a free bonus are cashable, even though their own T&C say otherwise, but my winnings originating from my DEPOSIT were also denied.

The person I've been speaking to (Lucy) claims that all my winnings come from a free bonus and therefore none of those funds are withdrawable. Her claim is that I used up my deposit funds and that my additional winnings of 198 come from using the bonus balance (700) already in my account.

This statement simply isn't true, because I combed through my transaction report showing my betting history, and it clearly shows that my 198 came from my deposit. I hit some nice bonus rounds on slots shortly after my deposit, which is why their statement immediately raised some red flags. According to their own gaming report, at no point did my deposit funds drop below zero, meaning no free bonus winnings were used for those additional 198, only my deposit.

Even if I were to accept their claim of no winnings from a free bonus being cashable, even though their T&C state otherwise, I should still be able to withdraw those 198 euro from my deposit. I provided them with the screenshots of my gaming history validating my claim (which they also have access to through my account), but they still refuse to pay, repeating their false claim that all my winnings come from using a free bonus and none are therefore withdrawable.

I'm sad to have to turn to a third party in order to resolve this issue, but I see I'm not the only one having problems with this particular casino. Should they continue to refuse to pay out my winnings, even when their own terms and documents contradict them, this casino should be considered rogue and blacklisted immediately.
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Disputed Casino Winward Casino
Amount €204

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Based on submitter's last post AskGamblers Complaints Team consider this case as Resolved and it is officially closed now.

Thank you all for your cooperation.

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I have indeed received payment of the above-mentioned 204 euro in my Skrill account.

However, the statement that my deposit was "finished" and that my subsequent winnings resulted from funds originating from the free chip is still ludicrous and blatantly false, no matter how many times they keep repeating it. Again, their own internal documents prove them wrong, as I have shown above, yet they still maintain this falsehood. The fact that they keep doing this even when confronted with the objective truth speaks volumes about the standard of this so-called casino.

Let's make one thing clear: They did not decide to finally pay out some of my winnings out of goodwill, but only because I turned to this site for help. Before that it was all stalling tactics and dubious claims mixed with outright lies. Had I been a less experienced player, I may very well have been scammed out of all my winnings, which I'm sure has happened to lots of other people before me.

Nobody should deposit with this casino/group as this kind of shady behavior is akin to what you'd get when dealing with blacklisted RTG groups etc.

I will consider this matter closed and want to sincerely thank AskGamblers for their time and assistance.
Have a nice day.
jaehoon81
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Dear @jaehoon81,

Please confirm if the issue has been resolved. Keep in mind that in case you fail to respond within the given time frame we will consider your issue as resolved and your complaint will be closed accordingly.

Thank you for your cooperation.

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Hello,

Thank you for contacting us and thank you for you patience while we investigated this.

Please note that we looked into it and found that indeed, your winnings were issued from a free chip received on your account after playing the sign up bonus, therefore a non-cashable one.

Please refer to our Bonus Rules page:
᛫ Only the first bonus applied on the player's account is considered a Welcome Sign-up Offer. The subsequent free bonuses that you receive before making your first deposit are not considered withdrawable.

On the 29th of June you made your first deposit, of EUR 13.92, while your balance was EUR 698.79. Please note that the deposited balance was played first and then you continued playing with the rest of your winnings from the free chip.

Please refer to:
᛫ You will play with the funds that you have deposited first and then the bonus money that has been added to your account.

In regards to your statement above that you could see in your game logs that you deposit did not drop to 0, please note that your balance did not drop to 0 due to the fact that the games continued being played with the winnings from the free chip, as soon as the deposit has been finished.

Since we value all our members and we want to give you another chance at the games, we decided to partially approve your latest payout request for the amount of EUR 204, representing the difference between the amount you currently have in your balance and the amount you had in winnings from the free chip that you played before making your first deposit.

We have also checked that you have all your documents and withdrawal information on file, so the withdrawal request should be approved as soon as possible.

We hope that you will enjoy your winnings to the fullest and we rest at your full disposal should you need help with anything else.

Kind regards,
The Winward Casino Team

Winward Casino Complaint Stats

Resolved 24 / 25
Avg. Amount $1,020
Avg. Complaint Duration 7 days
Avg. Response Time 2 days

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Will not pay my winnings
Can you please help me? I am having trouble getting my winnings from Winward Casino. They seem to be stalling in paying my winnings. They are coming up with one reason after another and it has been going on for over 2.5 weeks and there has been several emails back and forth but we are getting nowhere. The money keeps being put back in my casino account, and when I ask questions they won’t answer me. Details are as follows:
21/6/20 - submitted a request to withdraw my winnings of $2000 AUD.
All my required verification documents had been verified some months before and
The 3 items they list under verification requirements , on my account are all ticked and
Marked as fully verified (Government document showing my address, drivers license
showing photo ID, and front side of credit card ). I have read all their terms and
conditions and they state that it takes 5 days for the accounts department to review
the request.
25/6/20 - checked account to see if it had been processed yet, and left my account or whether
It was still pending but saw that the funds were now back in my account . Contacted
Live chat to enquire why this was so & was simply just told ‘missing card’. After asking
Repeatedly what they meant by that, some half an hour later I was finally told that
The card was not on file , or the account I tried to withdraw money to had never
been used at the casino, but the card that I almost always use to deposit IS the
Card associated with the account that I tried to withdraw into. Anyway the agent
(Vinnie) told me to send the card to the accounts email address. I asked if the
withdrawal would then take place and was told, just send the card. I immediately
emailed the front side of the card to the email address given and then resubmitted
My withdrawal request. I asked in the email if it needed to wait another 5 days, and
said I was hoping it could be done once this was rectified.
25/6/20 - received reply from Pete stating that the card had now been verified and had been
added to my file with other documents, and all was in order, and to make the
withdrawal request again (which I had already done), and was told that it would be
processed on Monday (3 days time). There was no mention of any other required
Documents, and he said all was good to go.
30/6/20 - logged into my account expecting to see the money gone but it was still showing
as withdrawal pending so I replied to Pete’s email asking why, and received
a reply, now from Eric saying that the review would take place in 3 days time.
I replied saying that I was told it would be Monday and his reply was that it
Can take longer due to volume but it would definitely be that week.
1/7/20 - logged in to see what had happening and found the funds now sitting back in
My casino account to use for the 3rd time! I sent 7 seperate emails over the
course of the day and night trying to find out what was going on , with no reply to any of
them so I again contacted live chat and was told this time that the reason was missing
card. After arguing for some time trying to explain that I had just been through that
scenario 5 days earlier, and forwarding him the copy of Eric’s email stating it would be
done Monday, he said ‘oh yes I see that now’ and then said the reason it was back in
my account was because I hadn’t sent in my bank statement and could I do that straight
away then resubmit the request for withdrawal. I started to get a little annoyed and
explained I couldn’t see why this would be needed as there is no information on there
that they don’t already have, And that this is private information and that I wasn’t happy
to do this. Also asked if this meant I had to wait another 5 days again for a third time
and was told that I did. I asked to be put on to the account Manager and was told that
was Kevin but he had gone and now it was him (the person with whom I was on chat
with). I said good, can u please tell me why my account is showing as fully verified and
why a bank statement was necessary, he replied ‘take it up with accounts, I am just a
sole messenger’, and I said I thought u just said u were manager, and he then ended
the chat.
I emailed Eric again with and expressed my
annoyance with what was going on. I asked if they could confirm that they had on file,
my license, credit card, document with address , and now my statement, and if there
were any other documents that I needed to be submit to facilitate my withdrawal
request. I also asked why I was not told about the bank statement when I was told the
First time the funds were returned to my account, that the reason was missing
card, and told that it was good to go ahead with making withdrawal request again. I
also asked if they were stalling.
2/7/20 - When I received Eric’s reply, he simply stated that the bank statement was now on file,
and to go ahead with withdrawal request which would again be reviewed in 5 days
time for the 3rd time. He didn’t answer any of my questions, but he did say that
The additional documents are only required at time of review (even though my request
had supposedly already been reviewed twice by this stage and funds returned to
my account with no mention of any other required documents until I questioned it).
I sent my bank statement and asked for confirmation of receipt, and asked if there
Was now going to be anything else holding up the withdrawal request , and some
Hours later I received a reply stating they had received documents and they’d been
added to my file and to allow 5 days for review to take place (AGAIN), and then , the
Kicker!! His next line .... ‘i can see that you haven't filled out the respective vouchers for
your 2 cards on file. Please print the attached document, fill it out with the information
of each card and send back to us at your earliest convenience’. I sent 4 seperate
emails in reply to this and as yet have had no response whatsoever !!!! It is
3/7/20 today. The ‘vouchers’ that they now want me to fill out and return are some
sort of dodgy authority form to allow them to deposit into my bank account! There
is nothing on that form that they don’t already have and it is clearly nothing more
Than yet another stall tactic . I have not returned the form to them , and have not
received any replies.

Please find attached all relevant correspondence as evidence.
I am really hoping you can help me with this as I am absolutely at my wits end and don’t know what else to do.
Status solved Resolved
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