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BoVegas Casino - I won $9800 on BoVegas and they are saying they will only pay me in $250 installments

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Complaint Info

Disputed casino

BoVegas Casino

Amount

$ 9800

3 years ago

Hi AskGamblers team.

I was getting a red error when submitting my complaint saying the title contained invalid characters.

Here was my original title:

I won $9,800 on BoVegas. They are saying they will only pay me in installments of $250. This would take roughly 40 withdrawals / weeks or 9 months to be fully paid out.

Anyhow, I was searching the web and came across a thread regarding BoVegas Casino complaints and how you helped someone in a very similar situation to mine.

I'm hoping you can help me out too.

My 2nd most recent email to them was this.

By the way, I swear to you, the AskGamblers team, the following is 100% true/accurate;

Subject line: 10 reasons why an online casino won't pay me? And my response specific to my account with BoVegas.

Cited source:

https:­//w­ww.f­ee­dba­ckc­asi­no.c­om­/wh­y-d­oes­nt-­onl­ine­-ca­sin­o-p­ay-me

Dear BoVegas, please see the following and my response to each:

1. You have opened your account with false information.

No, all information submitted is accurate.

2. You have created duplicate accounts.

No. I have only ever created 1 single account with BoVegas.

3. You didn't send your verification documents.

No. I sent in everything required and even had to open a bank account since you accept Bitcoin deposits, but not withdrawals.

4. You have violated the bonus terms and conditions.

No. I followed all rules to a tee.

5. You have used someone else's credit card or bank account to deposit funds.

No. I used my own Bitcoin wallet to deposit.

6. You have cheated.

No. I won fair and square.

7. You have played under VPN.

No. I did not use a VPN.

8. Your bonus hasn't been wagered.

No. I played through the wagering requirements.

9. You were a minor when you played.

No. As proven by my drivers license, I am 38.

10. The casino is unreliable.

To Be Determined.


Sincerely,

Andrew < sername rmoved >


That email seemed to have no effect as I received this response this morning;

Dear Andrew

Thank you for your e-mail.

Please take into consideration, that the installment policy has been applied upon your withdrawal request (kindly see the screenshot from T&C below):

Withdrawal requests are processed by the casino in installments. Once the withdrawal request has been approved for the installment amount, the remainder of the player’s funds is returned to the player’s account. After withdrawal approval, players may then make further withdrawal requests on the amount that has been returned to the account. Each withdrawal request and accompanying installment is processed individually

If you ever need any assistance, our friendly customer support representatives are available 24/7 on Live Chat.

Kind regards,

Mark < surname removed >

Finance Department

BoVegas Casino

... And here is my most recent response to that email, sent about 30 minutes ago;

So you're saying you're going to pay me only up to $250 a week on a $9,800 win?

You do realize this calculates to nearly 40 total withdrawals and 40 weeks to be fully paid out, correct?

You, as a casino have a right to put whatever you'd like into your terms and conditions.

I, as a human being, have a right to call this particular term or item, or arbitrary number of $250 vs. win %, incredulous. Your installments equate to roughly 2.5% of the total amount per week. Less than 3 percent.

Installments are fine. It's the same at most of your competition. But $250 is not. It is in fact, out of the ordinary, to say the least.

So I am appealing to you to reconsider and increase it to 10%, which would equate to $980, and for simplicities sake, just round up to $1,000.

Your own website also states a max cashout of $2,000 on withdrawals, so I am only asking for half of that.

I am trying to be polite, reasonable and fair. This is half of what another part of your website says in it's terms.

So will you please meet me halfway?

I respectfully ask you at least increase the amount to $1,000 a week so we can be done with this in 10 weeks as opposed to 10 months.

I think it is a reasonable request.

Can you please escalate to top level management this email and let me know the response?

Respectfully,

Andrew < surname removed >


And that's where this currently stands.

Can you please help AskGamblers team?

It's time to bring in the 'big guns' or additional help I'm hoping you guys can be the ones that help me resolve this issue.

Please note it was an arduous process to get verified. They said

occasionally, under special circumstances they can do Bitcoin withdrawals. (They accept Bitcoin and other methods of depositing, but only 1 method to withdraw, which is Bank wire transfer. I said since I had no Bank and asked if they could please make a "special circumstances" exception and let me withdraw via Bitcoin - the same way I originally deposited - to which I got a reply of no.)

Please also note these are the only 3 most recent emails / correspondences I've had with them.

In total, over 20 emails have been sent combined between me and BoVegas, and I've also had numerous chats with their live support team.

I would be happy to forward you the long chain email if you'd like.

I read Ask Gamblers guidelines for submitting and notice it said to include any screenshots or things like that that may be helpful but I don't see a way to attach at least on this first submission but I may have some helpful screenshots for you

This has been something I've been trying to resolve for almost 2 months now.

Can you please help AG team?


Respectfully,

Andrew < surname removed >

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3 years ago

Dear PINKFLOYD427

We were informed by Bovegas Casino finance team that installment policy was applied to your withdrawal request. Upon creating gaming account, you agreed to our T&C where it is stated that : "10.2.3. Casino reserves the right to send the winnings in installments. Player class influences installment amount as well as time frames of processing a withdrawal request. Player class is mainly determined by depositing/gaming activity of the player".
Also, Finance team informed us that they can arrange bitcoin withdrawal option for you, we would kindly ask you to contact our Finance team and provide them with your static bitcoin wallet, which they can use in order to process your winnings.
If you have any additional questions regarding your withdrawal requests we would advise you to contact BoVegas team directly.

Please kindly let us know should you need any further help.

Kind regards,
BoVegas

3 years ago

Dear BoVegas Team,

While I do thank and appreciate you making one concession in allowing for Bitcoin withdrawals for my win, I will contact your finance team with my static Bitcoin withdrawals.

This still does not, however, address or resolve my main complaint. That was actually on the lower scale of my main concerns.

According to your last reply, here on AskGamblers, my main issue still has not been addressed, which to reiterate, is the small amount of $250 per week and how long this will take on a $9,800 win to withdraw. Not to mention the hassle of me having to re-login once a week to make a new withdrawal for 40 consecutive weeks (roughly 9 months) in order to be fully paid out.

I feel this arbitrary number of $250 you have chosen, regardless of your right to pay installments or what you have placed in your terms and conditions is unfair to players.

I'd like you to know, and think it would be only fair to let you know, I have only posted publically about this situation, here on AskGamblers and Reddit.

I ask that you please take a look at the Reddit thread where the common consensus from commenters or general public is this is completely unfair to me, as a player/customer of your site.

You can read the thread in full here:

https:­//w­ww.r­ed­dit.co­m/r­/on­lin­ega­mbl­ing­/co­mme­nts­/nc­do4­s/i­_wo­n_9­800­_on­_bo­veg­as_­the­y_a­re_­say­ing­_th­ey_­are­?so­rt=new

In particular, I'd like to point out to you to 1 post made yesterday by the Moderator of the subreddit, who also happens to run a website with the best online casinos and reviews.

Hrre is the comment, I would specifically like to highlight from the afformentioned modedator/casino review website publisher who goes by the username "Gambl­ing­Sit­eFi­nder":

"Thanks for sharing your story, this is completely unacceptable. We previously had BoVegas listed on our website as the #47 (out of 47) best online casino, but now have removed the site."

So as you can see this is already having negative consequences.

I did not ask the moderator to do that, they just chimed in on their own.

My goal is not to tarnish your casinos / websites reputation.

My goal is only to come up with an agreeable solution that is fair to both you the casino/website operator, and me the customer/player.

Therefore, I still consider this complaint unresolved and would like to respond with some alternative solutions in order to resolve this.

Raise the amount from $250 to $1,000 and/or keep the amount at $250, but make it automatic and DAILY, so I don't have to initiate a new withdrawal once a week for 40 weeks.

Or you are free to reply with what is most convenient for you, but with all due respect - I will not be satisfied if the timeline and/or amount is not changed in some way. The amount of the win vs. the amount and timeline are nowhere near fair and balanced. If you are open to other ways to speed things up whether it be decreasing the amount of time between withdrawl requests, increasing the amount, or perhaps a combination of the two, I am open to hearing your proposal and/or negotiations.

In exchange for addressing and resolving this final concern, I will make concessions myself and promise to close out this complaint as resolved here on AskGamblers, inform the Reddit community via the ongoing thread mentioned earlier, and I will even specifically message the moderator that you have made a good faith effort to resolve the issue and recommend your site be re-added to the moderators website if they wish.

In other words, these two publicly posted places will be informed of your response and decision - and you still have time to rectify it - by doing what is right and fair.

I don't say this to intimidate, but I feel you should know, if we cannot come up with a solution here on AskGamblers, I will continue to post about this on other websites if we cannot come up with an agreeable solution, that is only right and fair.

Until then, I'd like to give you the opportunity to respond in regards to the main concern, and will not post publicly anywhere else.

I am open to negotations and would like to hear your alternative suggestions or ideas - if my idea/proposal mentioned above wasn't suitable for you - and am looking forward to your next response.

Respectfully,
Andrew

3 years ago

Dear PINKFLOYD427

Thank you for your post on AskGamblers.
We were informed by our finance team that they came up with an exclusive payments schedule for you, and currently they are waiting for your response. Please reply to their email and provide them with your bitcoin wallet.

Kind regards,
BoVegas

3 years ago

Thank you BoVegas team. I accept your offer. I replied via email.

Ask gambler's team, can please close out this complaint as resolved?

AskGamblers
3 years ago

Dear all,

As apparent from the submitter's latest post, the AskGamblers Complaint Team is pleased to announce the case has been resolved and closed.

We thank both parties for their assistance during the complaint process.