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I won $9800 on BoVegas and they are saying they will only pay me in $250 installments


5 years ago

Hi AskGamblers team.

I was getting a red error when submitting my complaint saying the title contained invalid characters.

Here was my original title:

I won $9,800 on BoVegas. They are saying they will only pay me in installments of $250. This would take roughly 40 withdrawals / weeks or 9 months to be fully paid out.

Anyhow, I was searching the web and came across a thread regarding BoVegas Casino complaints and how you helped someone in a very similar situation to mine.

I'm hoping you can help me out too.

My 2nd most recent email to them was this.

By the way, I swear to you, the AskGamblers team, the following is 100% true/accurate;

Subject line: 10 reasons why an online casino won't pay me? And my response specific to my account with BoVegas.

Cited source:

https:­//w­ww.f­ee­dba­ckc­asi­no.c­om­/wh­y-d­oes­nt-­onl­ine­-ca­sin­o-p­ay-me

Dear BoVegas, please see the following and my response to each:

1. You have opened your account with false information.

No, all information submitted is accurate.

2. You have created duplicate accounts.

No. I have only ever created 1 single account with BoVegas.

3. You didn't send your verification documents.

No. I sent in everything required and even had to open a bank account since you accept Bitcoin deposits, but not withdrawals.

4. You have violated the bonus terms and conditions.

No. I followed all rules to a tee.

5. You have used someone else's credit card or bank account to deposit funds.

No. I used my own Bitcoin wallet to deposit.

6. You have cheated.

No. I won fair and square.

7. You have played under VPN.

No. I did not use a VPN.

8. Your bonus hasn't been wagered.

No. I played through the wagering requirements.

9. You were a minor when you played.

No. As proven by my drivers license, I am 38.

10. The casino is unreliable.

To Be Determined.


Sincerely,

Andrew < sername rmoved >


That email seemed to have no effect as I received this response this morning;

Dear Andrew

Thank you for your e-mail.

Please take into consideration, that the installment policy has been applied upon your withdrawal request (kindly see the screenshot from T&C below):

Withdrawal requests are processed by the casino in installments. Once the withdrawal request has been approved for the installment amount, the remainder of the player’s funds is returned to the player’s account. After withdrawal approval, players may then make further withdrawal requests on the amount that has been returned to the account. Each withdrawal request and accompanying installment is processed individually

If you ever need any assistance, our friendly customer support representatives are available 24/7 on Live Chat.

Kind regards,

Mark < surname removed >

Finance Department

BoVegas Casino

... And here is my most recent response to that email, sent about 30 minutes ago;

So you're saying you're going to pay me only up to $250 a week on a $9,800 win?

You do realize this calculates to nearly 40 total withdrawals and 40 weeks to be fully paid out, correct?

You, as a casino have a right to put whatever you'd like into your terms and conditions.

I, as a human being, have a right to call this particular term or item, or arbitrary number of $250 vs. win %, incredulous. Your installments equate to roughly 2.5% of the total amount per week. Less than 3 percent.

Installments are fine. It's the same at most of your competition. But $250 is not. It is in fact, out of the ordinary, to say the least.

So I am appealing to you to reconsider and increase it to 10%, which would equate to $980, and for simplicities sake, just round up to $1,000.

Your own website also states a max cashout of $2,000 on withdrawals, so I am only asking for half of that.

I am trying to be polite, reasonable and fair. This is half of what another part of your website says in it's terms.

So will you please meet me halfway?

I respectfully ask you at least increase the amount to $1,000 a week so we can be done with this in 10 weeks as opposed to 10 months.

I think it is a reasonable request.

Can you please escalate to top level management this email and let me know the response?

Respectfully,

Andrew < surname removed >


And that's where this currently stands.

Can you please help AskGamblers team?

It's time to bring in the 'big guns' or additional help I'm hoping you guys can be the ones that help me resolve this issue.

Please note it was an arduous process to get verified. They said

occasionally, under special circumstances they can do Bitcoin withdrawals. (They accept Bitcoin and other methods of depositing, but only 1 method to withdraw, which is Bank wire transfer. I said since I had no Bank and asked if they could please make a "special circumstances" exception and let me withdraw via Bitcoin - the same way I originally deposited - to which I got a reply of no.)

Please also note these are the only 3 most recent emails / correspondences I've had with them.

In total, over 20 emails have been sent combined between me and BoVegas, and I've also had numerous chats with their live support team.

I would be happy to forward you the long chain email if you'd like.

I read Ask Gamblers guidelines for submitting and notice it said to include any screenshots or things like that that may be helpful but I don't see a way to attach at least on this first submission but I may have some helpful screenshots for you

This has been something I've been trying to resolve for almost 2 months now.

Can you please help AG team?


Respectfully,

Andrew < surname removed >

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Disputed Casino BoVegas Casino
Amount $9800

Discussion

User name

Dear all,

As apparent from the submitter's latest post, the AskGamblers Complaint Team is pleased to announce the case has been resolved and closed.

We thank both parties for their assistance during the complaint process.

User name loyalty-level-2
Thank you BoVegas team. I accept your offer. I replied via email.

Ask gambler's team, can please close out this complaint as resolved?
User name
Dear PINKFLOYD427

Thank you for your post on AskGamblers.
We were informed by our finance team that they came up with an exclusive payments schedule for you, and currently they are waiting for your response. Please reply to their email and provide them with your bitcoin wallet.

Kind regards,
BoVegas
User name loyalty-level-2
Dear BoVegas Team,

While I do thank and appreciate you making one concession in allowing for Bitcoin withdrawals for my win, I will contact your finance team with my static Bitcoin withdrawals.

This still does not, however, address or resolve my main complaint. That was actually on the lower scale of my main concerns.

According to your last reply, here on AskGamblers, my main issue still has not been addressed, which to reiterate, is the small amount of $250 per week and how long this will take on a $9,800 win to withdraw. Not to mention the hassle of me having to re-login once a week to make a new withdrawal for 40 consecutive weeks (roughly 9 months) in order to be fully paid out.

I feel this arbitrary number of $250 you have chosen, regardless of your right to pay installments or what you have placed in your terms and conditions is unfair to players.

I'd like you to know, and think it would be only fair to let you know, I have only posted publically about this situation, here on AskGamblers and Reddit.

I ask that you please take a look at the Reddit thread where the common consensus from commenters or general public is this is completely unfair to me, as a player/customer of your site.

You can read the thread in full here:

https:­//w­ww.r­ed­dit.co­m/r­/on­lin­ega­mbl­ing­/co­mme­nts­/nc­do4­s/i­_wo­n_9­800­_on­_bo­veg­as_­the­y_a­re_­say­ing­_th­ey_­are­?so­rt=new

In particular, I'd like to point out to you to 1 post made yesterday by the Moderator of the subreddit, who also happens to run a website with the best online casinos and reviews.

Hrre is the comment, I would specifically like to highlight from the afformentioned modedator/casino review website publisher who goes by the username "Gambl­ing­Sit­eFi­nder":

"Thanks for sharing your story, this is completely unacceptable. We previously had BoVegas listed on our website as the #47 (out of 47) best online casino, but now have removed the site."

So as you can see this is already having negative consequences.

I did not ask the moderator to do that, they just chimed in on their own.

My goal is not to tarnish your casinos / websites reputation.

My goal is only to come up with an agreeable solution that is fair to both you the casino/website operator, and me the customer/player.

Therefore, I still consider this complaint unresolved and would like to respond with some alternative solutions in order to resolve this.

Raise the amount from $250 to $1,000 and/or keep the amount at $250, but make it automatic and DAILY, so I don't have to initiate a new withdrawal once a week for 40 weeks.

Or you are free to reply with what is most convenient for you, but with all due respect - I will not be satisfied if the timeline and/or amount is not changed in some way. The amount of the win vs. the amount and timeline are nowhere near fair and balanced. If you are open to other ways to speed things up whether it be decreasing the amount of time between withdrawl requests, increasing the amount, or perhaps a combination of the two, I am open to hearing your proposal and/or negotiations.

In exchange for addressing and resolving this final concern, I will make concessions myself and promise to close out this complaint as resolved here on AskGamblers, inform the Reddit community via the ongoing thread mentioned earlier, and I will even specifically message the moderator that you have made a good faith effort to resolve the issue and recommend your site be re-added to the moderators website if they wish.

In other words, these two publicly posted places will be informed of your response and decision - and you still have time to rectify it - by doing what is right and fair.

I don't say this to intimidate, but I feel you should know, if we cannot come up with a solution here on AskGamblers, I will continue to post about this on other websites if we cannot come up with an agreeable solution, that is only right and fair.

Until then, I'd like to give you the opportunity to respond in regards to the main concern, and will not post publicly anywhere else.

I am open to negotations and would like to hear your alternative suggestions or ideas - if my idea/proposal mentioned above wasn't suitable for you - and am looking forward to your next response.

Respectfully,
Andrew

BoVegas Casino Complaint Stats

Resolved 39 / 39
Avg. Amount $3,588
Avg. Complaint Duration 12 days
Avg. Response Time 2 days

BoVegas Casino Complaints

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Stalling on ID Verification by Finance Dept
I want to make a complaint against BoVegas Casino as I've been trying to get my account verified since the 1st day I started playing on this site on 4/11/24. I submitted my verification documents almost immediately after depositing on this site on 4/11/24 -- I emailed my drivers license (Front/Back) and Energy Bill for my home as proof of address and a picture of me holding my Drivers License and I submitted a photo of my debit card (front/Back) and copy of the credit card authorization form which I obtained from their site and I filled it out with my cc info just in case it was needed, I was trying to cover all basis. I had made a deposit to this casino with Bitcoin so the credit card info I sent wasnt really necessary but on their site it listed this as something needed for account authorization. I also received a call within minutes after my Bitcoin deposit from BoVegas to verify/confirm me as the account holder/depositor and this was completed and I received email confirmation at 2:15 a.m. on 4/11/24 that my account had been verified. I played on the site with my bitcoin deposit of $23.08 and my account grew up too 1K. Please note that I never used any bonuses and the money won was with my own funds.

I received an email from BoVegas on 4/15/24 and it goes: "Hi there, friend! How have you been? We've noticed it's been a while since your last play in our Casino. Just wanted to remind you that we're always here to assist with any concerns you might have – is there anything we can do for you? By the way, you've got $1,000.00 for you on your playable balance! Why not dive back into your favorite games?"
I wasnt playing down my balance as I was paitiently waiting for my account to get verified, so I was suprised to see an email from them asking me to play down my winnings. I wanted an email saying my account had been verified and I was thinking about replying to email inquiring about my verification but decided not too. Then finally on 4/17/24, I received an email from someone in the finance department requesting additional documents from me in order to proceed with the withdrawal.
They were requesting:
"1. Payment Verification Form - needs to be filled (with relevant information for wire transfers), signed and dated.
You may find it here: Payment Verification Form
2. Bitcoin (BTC) Wallet Address as an alternative withdrawal option (please specify if available). "

I replied to their email immediately with the above requested information. I emailed them their form filled out with my banking wire info along with my Bitcoin wallet address and even provided them with a screenshot (to be on safe side again) from Coinbase showing my Bitcoin address to double verify it for accuracy. This was all done on 4/17/24 at 8:45 a.m. I've contacted their chat help almost daily for status updates to only get cut/copy/pasted reponses from all the customer service reps informing me of the 3-4 days waiting timeframes and reminding me that if info is incorrect/inaccurate that this will delay things. I can assure you that they have more than enough to verify my account and it seems as if they are stalling on doing this so they dont have to payout my winnings. As of right now my account is at $2,000.00 and I want to withdrawal all of it and close my account with this site. I've played on many other online sites and I have never ran into this with any other site. Yes, some places take longer than others to verify identities and it can be frustrating at times, but this is beyond ridiculous! I mean how much more could they possibly need to verify me as a valid person and then once verified, how long will I have to wait for approval for payout, and then who knows what BS they'll try and come up with to not pay me out my winnings. I'm starting to get the sense that this place just does not operate legitimately like all the other sites I play on or have played on. I have never gotten the runaround like I have here and it's frustrating. I have my emails I can forward to substantiate my claim against them, and I am going to start taking screen shots of any interactions I have going forward with them on chat as I didnt think to do this previously but will do from now on. Please help me get my winnings from them, I'm losing hope that they'll do the right thing and verify my identity and approve me for withdrawals.
I've been doing quite a bit of research and have found that they tend to do this a lot to people and it's not right! I worked in the past for the Attorney General of the State of Minnesota and also the 2nd Judicial District / Ramsey County Courthouse, so I know state statutes / laws / rules & regulations and the way this site operates -- it's just not right. There is something very wrong with their processes and they either need to be completely overhauled and redone because it's not right what they are doing to their customers. Makes me very upset and want to make sure that they are held accountable for their actions. They have no problem taking peoples money, no questions asked -- they dont care if you deposited from Bitcoin, Credit Card, any other Crypto Currancy - anything, they'll gladly accept it. But when it's the other way around, we have to provide more than should be necessary, jump through hoops and still have to wait on their drawn out processes only to find out in their legal BS written on their site that people lose out on their winnings due to their 30 day rule or whatever other garbage they can come up with to not pay out, or pay out in small incriments weekly and/or monthly. It's just nonsense and needs to stop~! No other sites do this, why should they get away with it!!!!!! Makes me just sick to my stomach. I want my winnings, please help me get them!
Status solved Resolved
$125
Slow pay for big win
This casino owes me $29,500 as of this morning (documentation attached) They were slow to verify me but that was eventually done. They allow me to request $2000 at a time with only one pending request allowed for which they will take 10 days to approve. The maximum amount that can be requested at one time is $2000. That's not really fair but that *is* in their terms and conditions, so my bad for not noticing before I played. But every time I request $2000 they only approve $500. That's ridiculous. When I ask why I am only approved for $500 I get this from Mark Miller, Finance Department:
"Withdrawal requests are processed by the casino in installments. Once the withdrawal request has been approved for the installment amount, the remainder of the player’s funds is returned to the player’s account. After withdrawal approval, players may then make further withdrawal requests on the amount that has been returned to the account. Each withdrawal request and accompanying installment is processed individually. Player class influences installment amount as well as time frames of processing a withdrawal request. Player class is mainly determined by depositing, gaming, withdrawal etc. activity of the player."
When I ask Mr Miller to quantify the player class determinations, he deflects (one example attached...many more available if necessary)
I *should* get paid in a timely manner. Frankly I probably wouldn't be so far ahead of them if they *had* paid timely on the front end. I probably wouldn't have been ahead at all. But here we are...
I have wagered plenty enough money there to deserve their highest status as far as getting a maximum payout, especially since the max is so low. I want to at the very least get the $2K payout every time I request until I am paid in full. Hoping for your help here as I can't get a straight answer out of them. Thanks in advance.
Status solved Resolved
$29,500