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Withheld my 3000 euros and closed my account for no reason


3 years ago

Hello,

Paradi­sec­asi­no sent me an email where was campaign called "two bonuses in a row!". First 90% and then 100% bonus.

I deposited 150 euros and won 4350 euros from 100% bonus after the 25x wagering. Now Paradisecasino.com is withholding my rest 3000 euros. They have paid 1350euros (which was my own withdrawal). After that they decided to close my account for no reason.


Here is the story:


After my big win (from Big Bamboo) I decided to withdraw 1350 euros. I thought that I might like to continue playing later good 3000 euros balance and then withdraw the rest. My account was already verified before over ye­ar ago. I still got a message from paradisecasino:

"Your cashout of 1350.0 EUR has been canceled. Reason: Please upload the front photo of your bank card used for deposits with the name, expiry date, and the first 6 and last 4 digits visible. Paradise Casino Care Team"

-Ok, I think because my last withdrawal was over 1,5year ago, of course they need "newer" information. I sent new pictures of my Visa card (which was also my deposit method).


After that, I made second withdrawal on next day and also that cancelled, the reason was:"Your cash out of 1350.0 EUR has been canceled. Reason: Please upload the front photo of your bank card **47 used for deposits with the name, expiry date, and the first 6 and last 4 digits visible."

-This was another Visa card (and the card used in a completely different deposit earlier) was in no way connected to this deposit. I wondered a little about it and nevertheless decided to send a new picture of it as well. I already had the thought that the casino will start deliberately delaying the payment citing various reasons (this is not my only complaint on the Askgamblers site, and not the only one with Paradise Casino either).


I made my third withdrawal and also it was cancelled and now the reason was:

"Dear Friend,

We want to inform You that Your withdrawal request was canceled due to additional verification procedure. We kindly ask you to upload a selfie + ID into your account in «Documents» tab

Thank you for understanding!

Best regards,

Paradi­se C­asi­no S­upport Team."


-Ok, this was the point when I realized that the matter was going to be difficult, I have faced similar actions before. It is a bit questionable to demand pictures like this, which can be misused, for example, in marketing (how does the casino give the player guarantees about the careful preservation of data protection?).

Despite this, I had to send them a picture of me holding my passport, even though all the documents I've sent before were really accurate and sharp pictures (passport, proof of address etc).


After that I got message from "Paradise VIP team" (which I have never belonged to before):

"Title: You're a winner! Congrats! ;)Hey, **** You've done well and your reward is already waiting in the account for you to claim it! Enjoy your prize and may the luck never leave you!"

I went to my account and I saw that they added to my account automatically some kind "Internal the Weekly tournament prize" campaign, which has 1500euros more wagering (50 x 30). The email message prompts me to claim it myself, even though the casino had already done it themselves, I thought it was strange. I realized that probably the ulterior motive here was to mislead the player, because in paradisecasino's terms and conditions says:

"b11. The maximum win restriction persists after the completion of the wagering requirement. The maximum you will ever be able to withdraw from play with funds associated with a weekly tournament prize is 2,000 EUR/USD; 3,000 CAD/NZD; 220,000 JPY"

also:

"b14. Only one bonus can be claimed at a time. Deposit related bonuses cannot be “stacked”. Paradise Casino management reserve the right to void any bonuses and/or winnings obtained by fraudulent behavior."


So, my balance was suddenly 4400euros (origi­nal­ ­balance was 4350euros and they had added a bonus of 50 euros with a turnover of 30x). In other words, after the new 1500 euros wagering (even if I had won more) they would have invoked this "b11" -point in their conditions for my withdrawal or they would have taken the entire amount citing term "b14".

I went to the customer service chat and told that I have never taken such a bonus. The chat person claimed that I participated in such a campaign because it was active on my account. I told them that this was added automatically on behalf of the casino after the email. Customer service finally agreed to remove the bonus.

I decided to stay in a same withdrawal amount (1350euros) and see what happens next. Finally my fourth withdrawal went through and paradisecasino paid 1350 euros. After that my balance was 3000 euros on my account. I didn't want to play at the casino anymore, because it started to feel like a place where you have to fear whether your winnings will be paid out in the future as well. After my fifth withdrawal I got message:

Emma Mon, 03/13/23 3:14 pm "Dear ****, We have to inform you that the bonus you've been playing with has the maximum win amount. Allowed amount has been successfully processed to you and, unfortunately, the rest of your win is subject of subtraction. We kindly ask you to observe our Bonus Terms & Conditions and be more attentive next time. Sorry for any inconvenience caused and hope for your understanding. Should you have any questions or doubts, please do not hesitate to contact us via email or via live-chat.Best Regards, Paradise Casino Support Team "


I tried to go to my account and when I try to login the system says: "Your account is disabled". Paradisecasino's chat person cannot find my account so the only thing I have been able to do has been to send an email and asking where this withdrawal limit is based on. In response I only received: 

"Felicia Wed, 03/15/23 4:28 am Dear ****, 1,350 EUR is a maximum win, and it was processed to you."

In other words, the withdrawal restriction in this case has been based on complete arbitrariness, which is why my account has also been closed. Nowhere in the terms of the campaign (the campaign which I have wagered) isn't any mention about the maximum winning amount (all other later arguments are false) and they are also completely self-invented after all the delay attempts. Even after the first withdrawal my money was not removed from my account. Only after my fifth withdrawal my account was just closed for no reason, when the means ran out.

I demand Paradisecasino to open my account back and also pay my 3000euros to my bank account. I also want answers to my questions, why is there a deliberate attempt to lead the player to make a mistake before the withdrawal? I always read the campaign terms and bonus terms on the Casino's website carefully before playing. I'll never use maximum withdrawal bonuses and this bonus was not like that either. It is also proven by all the actions of the casino mentioned above to prevent the withdrawal.

The fact that I follow terms (stake limits, game limits, etc.) means that I commit to them. However, it also means that the casino itself commits to them, and does not come up with new conditions afterwards. Equally it also means that the casino cannot deliberate attempt to mislead the player in order to confiscate the winnings. Such activity is completely against the rights of the players and against the MGA license.

I really hope that this is some kind misunderstanding on the part of the Paradisecasino. If the matter is not resolved even here, I'm forced to bring all the facts to MGA's attention with the necessary screenshots and attachments. Thank you.

Disputed Casino Paradise Casino
Amount €1000

Discussion

User name loyalty-level-2
Thanks AGCCS team for the answer. UnfortunateIy I cant't support Askgamblers decision regarding this complaint. If the regulatory body and/or appointed ADR entity is license holder (MGA), I want that the MGA to look at this case, proofs and Paradisecasino's terms and conditions. It can't be that some of their promo emails mention the max withdrawal amount and some don't. Customer service also says that there is no maximum withdrawal amount in every campaign. However, here the casino claims that "any" bonus has a maximum withdrawal limit. This is where the first discrepancy arises.
The player cannot know which campaign is which and it cannot be open to interpretation, even in retrospect. It also cannot be that Paradisecasino decides on a case-by-case basis what the maximum withdrawal amount is.
The terms of use must then state that "all" bonuses contain the maximum withdrawal amount, or the information must appear in all promotional e-mails. This has not been the case in this case.
I would also remind that the complaint does not concern 1000 euros (as in the title). The disputed matter is 3000 euros. Thank you.
User name

Dear all,

Following a careful review and consideration of all the information, details and/or proof presented by the parties during the complaint process, the AskGamblers Complaint Team reached the conclusion that Paradise Casino management acted in accordance with their Terms and Conditions.

Based on the abovementioned information, the AskGamblers Complaint Team considers this case resolved and it is now officially closed. While we understand this might not be the outcome expected by the complainant, we would like to remind you that, in case of a disagreement with our decision, further assistance on the matter could be requested from the relevant regulatory body and/or appointed ADR entity.

User name loyalty-level-2

Hello and thank you for your reply. It's still a matter of the fact that this campaign didn't include the maximum withdrawal limit, when we also take into consideration the attempts to complicate withdrawal process in a different ways.

You claimed also earlier that each ("any") campaign contains a maximum withdrawal limit, although it is not true:


Me:

"Hello Brian! Could you please tell is there any winning limits on promotions?"


...


Brian:

"Well, it can really depend so I wouldn't be able to provide an accurate answer unless you know the exact bonus. 😕"


Me:

"Yes, so that it varies depending on the bonus, right?"


Brian:

"That's correct!"


The information given to the player cannot contradict each other. After the fact, the casino cannot claim a mistake either, if your customer service has first come up with the maximum withdrawal limit themselves (which is not even mentioned in your terms and conditions):


"Felicia

Wed, 03/15/23 4:28 am


Dear ****,


1,350 EUR is a maximum win, and it was processed to you."



Also if there is a maximum payout limit, it must be clearly visible to the player before the player makes a decision when participating in the campaign.

In some of your promotional e-mails such a maximum withdrawal limit is stated, some not.

The terms on your website cannot be open to interpretation, they must be clearly understandable.

Every bonus on your site does not include a maximum withdrawal limit, and I have not participated in a campaign where there was one.


In addition, Paradisecasino cannot arbitrarily decide afterwards for each withdrawal how much the customer can withdraw from his bonus. For example, in your latest review here at Askgamblers, you have told a Finnish player that the maximum withdrawal limit for Finns is 1000 euros. There is no mention of this on your site either:


Finland

16 reviews

August 18, 2022

"Players from Finland are limited to 1,000 EUR in maximum winnings that will be paid out resulting in a welcome bonus or a deposit bonus. Wow! Paradise casino does not live up to its name and that is very disappointing."

I'm waiting for Paradisecasino to admit their mistake and return my money to my account. Also have to think about whether this kind of operation can be really reliable (Trust level @Askgamblers), because players receive conflicting information regarding bonuses, Paradisecasino tries to lead the player to make a mistake during the withdrawal by adding additional campaing(which aims to prevent the entire withdrawal) and finally end up with a random withdrawal amount.

We players are customers at the casino, we experience the whole thing, including customer service and sometimes we also (and unfortunately) see various attempts to make withdrawals difficult. The casino can say anything about the complaint afterwards, referring to errors. In my opinion, the casino must take equal responsibility for the information given to the player and remain truthful.

User name

Dear @lucky0ne,

The AskGamblers Complaint Team is kindly asking you to update your complaint in a timely manner and confirm if you consider the issue resolved. Please note that, in case you fail to respond within the given timeframe we will consider your case resolved and it will be closed accordingly.

Please keep in mind that as per the AGCCS Terms and Guidelines which you accepted upon registering and using our complaint system, you are obliged to provide the necessary level of assistance and cooperation during the process and providing updates in a timely manner is a must.

Thanks in advance for your cooperation.

Paradise Casino Complaint Stats

Resolved 8 / 9
Avg. Amount $1,311
Avg. Complaint Duration 8 days
Avg. Response Time 2 days

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Dear Player,
We want to inform You that Your withdrawal request was canceled due to verification procedure.
In order to verify your account we kindly ask You to upload the following documents into your account in «Documents» tab:
- photo of Your ID
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- selfie with your ID

Sincerely,
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So I resent all my documents again including my selfie which was not request in my first verification, they all got approved.
So once again I wait for my cashout until once again my withdrawal was cancelled again today on June 3, 2020.
Got an email again asking for further verification:

Mark
Wed, 06/03/20 9:17 am

Dear Friend,

Informing you that your withdrawal was cancelled due to additional verification required. Рlease, uрload into your account (tab Documents) source of funds document and the source of wealth (for example salary certificate for three months, inheritance etc.) into your profile (Documents tab).
Please, make sure that all the details are clearly seen.

Best Regards,
Paradise Casino Support Team.

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