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By mayjqq
8 years ago
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I am a newer player at Kudos, deposited a several times with no luck. Then decided to deposit $100 and try blackjack. I got lucky and won several hundred eventually topping out at $1000, decided to withdrawal. The verification process went very smooth, no issues, then received 2 emails saying my withdrawal was approved and then processed. I talked to customer service about the timeframe for receiving my check and was told 7-10 days, fine no problem. After waiting little more than 10 days, I talked to customer service to see if they had any information on the tracking of my check, I was told on Tuesday the 28th of November that my check was being dispatched today and that the “withdrawal team “ would contact me with details. Within 2 hours I receive an email saying my IP Address is the same as some other people who have defrauded them in the past. A total and complete fabrication by Kudos to just not pay me. I belong to probably 75 casinos and have never been accused of defrauding any casino I’ve dealt with. I have never been cheated by any casino I’ve played at. This is either a mistake that Kudos will eventually admit or this casino is a total scam and rogue casino. So I ask for your help at Askgamblers to intervene and help me to get the winnings I earned fair and square. Also they deactivated my account. Thanks for your service.
Michael
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AskGamblers Complaints Team has been provided with enough information and evidence on behalf Kudos Casino management in regards of this complaint to confirm and justify the casino actions.

Based on the above, AskGamblers Complaints Team consider this case as Resolved and it is now officially closed. In case of a disagreement with our decision we remind player that further assistance on this matter could be requested from the relevant licensing authority responsible for Kudos Casino.
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The complainants account was flagged up by our proprietary security system for being linked to multiple player accounts that had previously participated in fraudulent activity and which had subsequently been banned from the casino. Upon investigation our findings showed that these accounts were linked via the same IP address. Therefore, the decision was taken by the management team to void the winnings as per the casinos terms and conditions, please see below.

Kudos Casino reserves the right to withhold play, void any winnings, withhold any balance and/or apply charges to your Casino account should Kudos Casino in its sole discretion determine the account to be fraudulent, or under any of the following circumstances:
• If you hold more than one account, or your account is linked to other accounts 
• If the name on your Casino account does not match any credit card or other funding source used on the account 
• If the signature on your Verification Form does not match your credit card and/or verification documents. 
• If you provide false, incorrect or misleading information when opening your Casino account. 
• If you are not of legal age in the jurisdiction where you reside. 
• If you reside in a jurisdiction, where law prohibits the use and participation of such games. 
• If you have allowed or permitted (purposely or not) another party access to your Casino account. 
• If you have reversed or charged back any of your purchases on your Casino account. 
If you are found cheating or if it is determined by Kudos Casino that you have disrupted the natural randomness of the Games. 
• If you are involved in any form of automated, commercial, collusion or syndicate play. 
• If Kudos Casino should become aware that you have played at any other online casino under any of the circumstances set out above.
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AskGamblers Complaints Team requested additional evidence and information from the Kudos Casino team due to that fact we considered the information and proofs they presented so far as not justified enough to confirm the accusations against player.

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Hi, the requested information will be sent shortly.

Kudos Casino Complaint Stats

Resolved 16 / 20
Avg. Amount $1,211
Avg. Complaint Duration 12 days
Avg. Response Time 2 days

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Casino refuses to pay me after I won from free spins

I won $100 off of free spins given to me by Kudos casino. I've made a deposit, have been KYC verified, and have done one successful withdrawal. The reasons for then denying my withdrawal seem to be made up on the spot and keep changing.

First they said I only get $50 not $100 which I corrected them on when I informed then I've made a deposit so the MCO rule of $50 for non depositers doesn't apply to me. Then they said they denied the payment because I used the bonus two days in a row without a deposit in between. After much back and forth and me sending screenshots of the promotions terms and conditions I eventually got them to admit that this coupon was allowed to be used once per day for 7 days without a deposit in between use.

Next they said it's because I had a non deposit bonus that was used before this coupon and claimed that my kudos Cashback that's given 3 times after each deposit counts as a non deposit bonus... I looked this up in the terms and conditions and found this to be completely untrue, nowhere could I find any language stating that kudos cashback was treated as a non deposit bonus. I also pointed out that them saying it's because I used a non deposit bonus wouldn't even apply to this coupon because the terms state that it can be used once per day for 7 days without a deposit in between which is why I was able to redeem it in the first place.

Every other bonus says deposit underneath it and will not allow me to redeem it but this was the only one that I could because it's allowed to be used without a deposit, like it states in the terms it can be used once per day for 7 days and only one cash out is allowed. Also make note of the screenshots below where Lisa tells me that I've made 5 non deposit bonuses without making a deposit.

So you get kudos Cashback 3 times after making and losing a deposit, nowhere in the terms and conditions can I find anything that states this is treated as a non deposit bonus. The other two bonuses they are claiming I used is the same one that I won off of which is perfectly allowed because it is stated in the terms and conditions. She even says that this 7 day promo is counted as one big offer so why is she counting the free spins used each day individually?

Status solved Resolved
Funds taken by cashier
Good afternoon. I don't want to spend your time so directly to the problem.
I have an account in Kudos Casino. I have redeemed a no deposit bonus and luckily i've made true the wagering requirements and i've won ~ 100$. I've sent all the documents for the account verification and i was told that i will receive an email that they will be sent to the cashier for review and i will be notified if there is anything else required. After 2 days i've received an email to make a deposit of min. 25$ for the account verification, that unfortunately i didn't see. 6 days later i've asked if there is any problem with my documents i was told that i need to send address proof . I've send bank statement and i was told that it will be checked from the cashier. While i was waiting for the confirmation that when i make a deposit i will be able to withdrawal, the money from my account disappeared. My live chat was blocked and no one answered my emails. I've managed to connect to the live chat from another browser without entering my account and when i've asked kindly why my balance is 0.00 the answer was "we told you to make a deposit on the 30th of April, you ignored our email
bye"
After that i was blocked again and the chat was deleted.
I am keeping the email conversation and i've managed to copy the live chat conversation, but it disappeared before before i make a screenshot, so it is on PDF file.
Thank you in advance for your time and support.

Greetings,
Sami Lafi
Status unsolved Unresolved
$100
Declined payment due to unfair application of terms
I received a Kudos deposit of $60 on my account on 12-30-2018. I am a level three player on this site and am allowed to cash out a maximum of 22x any kudos deposit ($1320). I met all play through requirements and Playing slots and blackjack, I was able to get me balance up to $1372.63. I requested a withdrawal of $1,312.63, leaving the $60 Kudos credit in my account for removal.

On 12-1-18 I received an email from Kudos Casino stating "Unfortunately you have exceeded max bet on the kudos credits applied to you. Players must bet less than 25% or the credit given as per the terms. You have exceeded this. You play is thus void I am afraid."

I responded to the email quoting their rules. " During play with Kudos Credits wagers may not exceed 25% of the original credit amount. This is active as long as the Kudos Credits remain in the account balance regardless of the wagering requirement." My maximum bet was $15 and I did not exceed the 25% maximum bet rule.

I received this response 2 days later on 12-3-2018:
Hi David,
You are correct in this and as such we have re-instated your balance now. I do apologise for the confusion and the inconvenience here.
Please let me know if I can assist you further,
Kind Regards,
Kudos Support

At this point I thought everything was all set. The $1372.63 was returned to my account and I requested another withdrawal. I the waited until 12-5-18 just to receive another email declining payment again for the same reason. I emailed back quoting their prior acknowledgement that I had not exceeded the betting rules. They then sent me a log showing some of my wagers that "exceeded" the 25% rule. The log showed wagers of $15 that were doubled down making the total bet $30 as their reasoning. I have played at other RTG casinos with similar wagering restrictions and cashed out with no issues after making many maximum allowed bets which were then doubled down on and or split. I always read the terms and conditions carefully and follow the rules.

There was no phone number to contact the casino and live chat has not been available either. I assume this could be easily taken care of with management at the casino, but it has been frustration only being able to contact through email. Reviews of the casino appear to be positive and I have enjoyed playing there. I also cannot find any other complaints like mine online, so I assume this is just the mistake of an employee at the casino and will be easily fixed. I have copies of all emails back and forth with Kudos as well as the play log they sent me.
Status solved Resolved
Refusing to verify account or explain why, confiscating 5800+ in winnings
Hello AskGamblers, Since I saw you've successfully resolved ALL Kudos complaints (way to go!!!), I've decided to seek your help in this weird and bad matter, thanks a lot ahead! The email thread is self-explanatory (please read reversely for chronological order, as usual in such cases): --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eliyahu < surname removed > < email removed > Oct 11 (10 days ago) to support So, what happens with that? Now you've blocked my account for no reason and force me to escalate this ugly issue to the largest industry mediators and forums? Thinking that if you're licensed in Curacao you can get away with everything??? The online-gambling world and the internet, with their huge power of PR (both good and bad) and large gambling portals, mediators, communities and forums, have no geographical borders for bad conduct and hiding in the remote island of Curacao wouldn't help you a bit in this matter. You haven't responded anything useful in chats also, both in InetBet and in Kudos, other than: "You're right, this is a simple misunderstanding, we'll promptly talk to the management and will be in touch via email with you", many weeks ago... As I'm completely forced to escalate the conflict by you, I'll start acting imminently. Good luck! On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 1:18 PM, Eliyahu < surname removed > < email removed > wrote: What's going on??? I've sent you my perfectly well accepted in other casinos (including your sister InetBet) driver license and passport almost a month ago, are you trying to stall the verification in order to delay/somehow avoid paying the 5800 that I may want to withdraw (in case I decide not to play further and continue my lucky streak at your place)?? It will not lead you to good directions, I guarantee that, and it will look EXTREMELY BAD if published at all the major portals/mediators/forums/regulators, that a new casino positioning itself as "a new guy on the block, that can offer better things than existing competitors" is using immoral and illegal stalling tactics to try to delay/somehow avoid paying (in case I decide to withdraw now, without further playing) a mere USD 5800, which I've had the luck to win cleanly without any bonuses or promos. If this thing is not resolved within 2 days, I'll have to unfortunately escalate the issue to the aforementioned authorities, entities and organizations. It will NOT bring good PR to a new casino (but it might ruin its reputation entirely, right from the start), nor will it help you to somehow avoid paying me, if and when I decide to withdraw. I suggest you choose your next moves wisely, as I am very pissed off and lost my patience. There will be no further warnings. Regards. On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 5:46 PM, Eliyahu < surname removed > < email removed > wrote: Hey?? On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Eliyahu < surname removed > < email removed > wrote: Hi, Have you verified my account? On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 7:28 PM, Eliyahu < surname removed > < email removed > wrote: which problems you've found with my driving license? "your drivers licence looked a bit unusual and not like a usual UK drivers licence" - It's the first time in my life I heard this. On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 2:25 PM, CSR Lewis wrote: Hi Eliyahu Thanks for sending us your passport. It is now being reviewed by our account team. Thanks in advance for your patience. Kind Regards CSR Lewis Kudos Support On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 09:13 pm, Eliyahu < surname removed > < email removed > wrote: Now OK? which problems you've found with my driving license? "your drivers licence looked a bit unusual and not like a usual UK drivers licence" - It's the first time in my life I heard this. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And so are the time-wasting chats, which obviously led to an absolute nothing: KUDOS Live Chat - Click Here! You (change name) What happens with my verification??? Hello, thank you for getting in touch. Can I have your username please? You (change name) Eli123 I do not have any information about it, will contact the Risk team for you and will get back to you soon as possible You (change name) I've sent you BOTH valid passport and Driving licensne more than 3 weeks ago, received NOREPLIES WHATSOEVER , that's COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE I will contact you regarding your documents soon as they come back to me. Is there anything else I can help with ? You (change name) That's the answer I've received in chat a week ago, still nothing happened. I want to close this issue already (it's about time) and play/withdraw, not stall and squander time. Unfortunately I am not able to provide more information at the moment You (change name) How long should I wait? I cannot make a promise, need to have a respond back from them You (change name) Tks. Bye. You are welcome : ) Please get in touch, if you need anything else and we will be happy to assist you again. 16:09 Powered by tawk.to Anna You (change name) Hi, I have a question about Kudos, your sister casino Hello, thank you for getting in touch. Yes of course How can I help? You (change name) I am trying to log in and get this message: You (change name) "You are not allowed to log in" Can I have your username please? You (change name) And that's a month (!!!) after I've sent all verifications docs and haven't received AN"Y reply You (change name) Eli123 Unfortunately your account has been deactivated but there is no more information for the reason. If you want I could contact our Management team and find out what is going on with your account You (change name) That's very interesting, since I have there about 6000 that I won cleanly and clearly without any bonuses or promos. So " deactivated but there is no more information for the reason" is basically stealing my 6000, which will lead you to a very bad direction: mediators, regulators, lawsuit, very bad PR in major forums etc. Would you like YOUR bank account with all its money "deactivated with no reason" ?? You (change name) Stealing 6000 won't work with me, sorry. You'll pay many times more than that. I understand this is frustrating, but I do not have access to everything in the system. I think here is misunderstanding. l be a reason, just I cannot give you it now, this is why was asking if you want me to get in touch with our Management team for you You (change name) Sure. I can also call you in the next couple days, if necessary, though I STRONGLY prefer chat/email since I don't want my colleagues and family to know I gamble. OF course you could contact us via email or live chat any time. Can I help with anything else today ? You (change name) So how do you want us to proceed? You (change name) I've sent all the docs to Kudos a month+ ago, and a few email reminders - no response, and now they've blocked my account, trying to steal my 5800. I just informed you what I am going to do now - contacting our Management team to request more information about your account and you could expect us to get back to you soon as possible 12:56 You (change name) OK, tks. Awaiting your answer via email SOON. I've sent you the last doc you wanted (passport) on Aug 14. Sure, You are welcome : ) Have a good day You (change name) You too. Type here and press enter.. Choose Files Powered by tawk.to
Status unsolved Unresolved
€5,800