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7 years ago
I'm having an issue with Bovegas casino because they claimed I breached their terms and conditions however I didn't. I got an email from the finance department stating that I played Texas Hold 'em Poker which is an excluded game (they claim) under their "sneaky" coupon because they claim that, that coupon is only for slots. However I sent an attachment of the screen shot of the coupon and it doesn't say that the coupon is match bonus for slots only. I also have other coupons I attached to this message to show that there are coupons that clearly state that the coupon is under match bonus for slots only but the coupon I redeemed which is the "Sneaky" coupon doesn't say anything of the sort. They voided all my funds from my account with this false claim.
Disputed Casino BoVegas Casino
Amount $2000

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Upon all information provided by the casino management and the player, it is clearly visible that player was well informed what games are excluded for aforementioned bonus. Apparently, player somehow forgot to share this crucial piece of information with the AskGamblers Complaints Team Screenshot provided by player, a fact which is considered as a serious violation of AskGamblers Casino Complaints Service /AGCCS/ Terms.

Based on the above, this case is being rejected and player's further access to AGCCS is being restricted.
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Upon all information provided by the casino management and the player, it is clearly visible that player was well informed what games are excluded for aforementioned bonus. Apparently, player somehow forgot to share this crucial piece of information with the AskGamblers Complaints Team Screenshot provided by player, a fact which is considered as a serious violation of AskGamblers Casino Complaints Service /AGCCS/ Terms. 

Based on the above, this case is being rejected and player's further access to AGCCS is being restricted.

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Hello JELLYTOGONON,

Thank you for your reply on AskGamblers!

We can assure you that we have watched the YouTube video very precisely after the very first time you have referred to it.

The video does not show our Terms&Conditions that are accessible by the specific link next to each and every bonus in the mobile version of the Cashier to be “long and blocky”, as you claim they used to be.
Is there any chance you are referring to the general Terms&Conditions displayed on the main page of the website?

The reason why you saw locks on some of the slot machines after redeeming the bonus are the free spins for the specific slot machine that are coming along with the match bonus. Until you spin them out, all of the games (except the one that the free spins have to be played on) will be locked. Right after you do so – all of the slot machines will be unlocked.

The description of the coupon itself does not contain the full Terms&Conditions of the bonus due to the fact it is impossible to fit the full text and keep the website user-friendly. That is why next to each and every coupon there is an option to open Terms&Conditions of this specific bonus.
Moreover, our support agents and managers advised you to always check the terms of the bonus before playing with it, as we had similar cases with you in the past.

The necessity to check the terms of the bonus before playing with it is explained to each and every player over the phone right after placing very first deposit. That is why notifying players over the emails about the bonus terms for each and every bonus they redeem is found to be excessive and might be considered by our customers as an intrusion into personal space, as they play with dozens of bonuses per day.

Usually, in case player breaches terms of the bonus by playing excluded games, the player balance is being restored to the amount of the initial deposit. A match bonus for the games player wants to play can be added on top, if player wishes so.
In your case, casino management took into consideration that you are playing with BoVegas for a year and we do value our loyal customers. That is why the payout of $2000 was sent to you as an exception and appreciation for playing with us.
BoVegas team is cheering for each and every customer and we always do our best to make your time with us as pleasant as possible.

If there is anything else we can help you with – please let us know, we are always here for you.

Sincerely,
BoVegas casino
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You're using a new example though. If you actually opened my link to the youtube video you can actually see that your terms and conditions were long and blocky before you guys updated your mobile website. The user had to have search through your terms and conditions as if it was a dictionary. Plus if you see in my previous pictures you'd find that the coupoon itself DOES NOT say it's a match bonus which would be difficult to look up in your difficult long and blocky website.

1) Your mobile website BEFORE was not user friendly (again a dictionary)

2) the coupoin itself did not say it's a match bonus for slots only

3) You guys should just block the games your players cannot play because you already exclude other games already

4) You should send email notifications about the coupon details itself

Main point is your terms and conditions were not clear. There was NOTHING on the coupon that said it's for slots only.. it just had a fancy creative description and that was all.. and you removed my funds stating that it was a 'match bonus only for slots' when the coupon itself didn't say the very details.

So why would you remove my funds claiming I played excluded games under a coupon that doesn't even notify it's players that it was excluded????

You keep repeating your terms and conditions.. but NOW it'll just direct the player straight to the information but before again it was a dictionary and difficult to understand.. and this all could have been avoided if you just put in the description that it's a "SLOTS matchbonus" but you guys didn't...

You removed my funds because you didn't want to pay me out so you were trying to find a way to not pay me by making these false claims that the coupon was only for slots however you did not even put it no where for the mobile player to be aware of it....

This is straight up messed up.

PLEASE actually look at the video I provided below.. It'll show the before and after of your mobile website.. because your showing me current example of your old mobile website which would have been helpful had it been available for me.

https:­//w­ww.y­ou­tub­e.c­om/­wat­ch?­v=o­2QI­7mH-1eA

BoVegas Casino Complaint Stats

Resolved 39 / 39
Avg. Amount $3,588
Avg. Complaint Duration 12 days
Avg. Response Time 2 days

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Stalling on ID Verification by Finance Dept
I want to make a complaint against BoVegas Casino as I've been trying to get my account verified since the 1st day I started playing on this site on 4/11/24. I submitted my verification documents almost immediately after depositing on this site on 4/11/24 -- I emailed my drivers license (Front/Back) and Energy Bill for my home as proof of address and a picture of me holding my Drivers License and I submitted a photo of my debit card (front/Back) and copy of the credit card authorization form which I obtained from their site and I filled it out with my cc info just in case it was needed, I was trying to cover all basis. I had made a deposit to this casino with Bitcoin so the credit card info I sent wasnt really necessary but on their site it listed this as something needed for account authorization. I also received a call within minutes after my Bitcoin deposit from BoVegas to verify/confirm me as the account holder/depositor and this was completed and I received email confirmation at 2:15 a.m. on 4/11/24 that my account had been verified. I played on the site with my bitcoin deposit of $23.08 and my account grew up too 1K. Please note that I never used any bonuses and the money won was with my own funds.

I received an email from BoVegas on 4/15/24 and it goes: "Hi there, friend! How have you been? We've noticed it's been a while since your last play in our Casino. Just wanted to remind you that we're always here to assist with any concerns you might have – is there anything we can do for you? By the way, you've got $1,000.00 for you on your playable balance! Why not dive back into your favorite games?"
I wasnt playing down my balance as I was paitiently waiting for my account to get verified, so I was suprised to see an email from them asking me to play down my winnings. I wanted an email saying my account had been verified and I was thinking about replying to email inquiring about my verification but decided not too. Then finally on 4/17/24, I received an email from someone in the finance department requesting additional documents from me in order to proceed with the withdrawal.
They were requesting:
"1. Payment Verification Form - needs to be filled (with relevant information for wire transfers), signed and dated.
You may find it here: Payment Verification Form
2. Bitcoin (BTC) Wallet Address as an alternative withdrawal option (please specify if available). "

I replied to their email immediately with the above requested information. I emailed them their form filled out with my banking wire info along with my Bitcoin wallet address and even provided them with a screenshot (to be on safe side again) from Coinbase showing my Bitcoin address to double verify it for accuracy. This was all done on 4/17/24 at 8:45 a.m. I've contacted their chat help almost daily for status updates to only get cut/copy/pasted reponses from all the customer service reps informing me of the 3-4 days waiting timeframes and reminding me that if info is incorrect/inaccurate that this will delay things. I can assure you that they have more than enough to verify my account and it seems as if they are stalling on doing this so they dont have to payout my winnings. As of right now my account is at $2,000.00 and I want to withdrawal all of it and close my account with this site. I've played on many other online sites and I have never ran into this with any other site. Yes, some places take longer than others to verify identities and it can be frustrating at times, but this is beyond ridiculous! I mean how much more could they possibly need to verify me as a valid person and then once verified, how long will I have to wait for approval for payout, and then who knows what BS they'll try and come up with to not pay me out my winnings. I'm starting to get the sense that this place just does not operate legitimately like all the other sites I play on or have played on. I have never gotten the runaround like I have here and it's frustrating. I have my emails I can forward to substantiate my claim against them, and I am going to start taking screen shots of any interactions I have going forward with them on chat as I didnt think to do this previously but will do from now on. Please help me get my winnings from them, I'm losing hope that they'll do the right thing and verify my identity and approve me for withdrawals.
I've been doing quite a bit of research and have found that they tend to do this a lot to people and it's not right! I worked in the past for the Attorney General of the State of Minnesota and also the 2nd Judicial District / Ramsey County Courthouse, so I know state statutes / laws / rules & regulations and the way this site operates -- it's just not right. There is something very wrong with their processes and they either need to be completely overhauled and redone because it's not right what they are doing to their customers. Makes me very upset and want to make sure that they are held accountable for their actions. They have no problem taking peoples money, no questions asked -- they dont care if you deposited from Bitcoin, Credit Card, any other Crypto Currancy - anything, they'll gladly accept it. But when it's the other way around, we have to provide more than should be necessary, jump through hoops and still have to wait on their drawn out processes only to find out in their legal BS written on their site that people lose out on their winnings due to their 30 day rule or whatever other garbage they can come up with to not pay out, or pay out in small incriments weekly and/or monthly. It's just nonsense and needs to stop~! No other sites do this, why should they get away with it!!!!!! Makes me just sick to my stomach. I want my winnings, please help me get them!
Status solved Resolved
$125
I won $9800 on BoVegas and they are saying they will only pay me in $250 installments

Hi AskGamblers team.

I was getting a red error when submitting my complaint saying the title contained invalid characters.

Here was my original title:

I won $9,800 on BoVegas. They are saying they will only pay me in installments of $250. This would take roughly 40 withdrawals / weeks or 9 months to be fully paid out.

Anyhow, I was searching the web and came across a thread regarding BoVegas Casino complaints and how you helped someone in a very similar situation to mine.

I'm hoping you can help me out too.

My 2nd most recent email to them was this.

By the way, I swear to you, the AskGamblers team, the following is 100% true/accurate;

Subject line: 10 reasons why an online casino won't pay me? And my response specific to my account with BoVegas.

Cited source:

https://www.feedbackcasino.com/why-doesnt-online-casino-pay-me

Dear BoVegas, please see the following and my response to each:

1. You have opened your account with false information.

No, all information submitted is accurate.

2. You have created duplicate accounts.

No. I have only ever created 1 single account with BoVegas.

3. You didn't send your verification documents.

No. I sent in everything required and even had to open a bank account since you accept Bitcoin deposits, but not withdrawals.

4. You have violated the bonus terms and conditions.

No. I followed all rules to a tee.

5. You have used someone else's credit card or bank account to deposit funds.

No. I used my own Bitcoin wallet to deposit.

6. You have cheated.

No. I won fair and square.

7. You have played under VPN.

No. I did not use a VPN.

8. Your bonus hasn't been wagered.

No. I played through the wagering requirements.

9. You were a minor when you played.

No. As proven by my drivers license, I am 38.

10. The casino is unreliable.

To Be Determined.


Sincerely,

Andrew < sername rmoved >


That email seemed to have no effect as I received this response this morning;

Dear Andrew

Thank you for your e-mail.

Please take into consideration, that the installment policy has been applied upon your withdrawal request (kindly see the screenshot from T&C below):

Withdrawal requests are processed by the casino in installments. Once the withdrawal request has been approved for the installment amount, the remainder of the player’s funds is returned to the player’s account. After withdrawal approval, players may then make further withdrawal requests on the amount that has been returned to the account. Each withdrawal request and accompanying installment is processed individually

If you ever need any assistance, our friendly customer support representatives are available 24/7 on Live Chat.

Kind regards,

Mark < surname removed >

Finance Department

BoVegas Casino

... And here is my most recent response to that email, sent about 30 minutes ago;

So you're saying you're going to pay me only up to $250 a week on a $9,800 win?

You do realize this calculates to nearly 40 total withdrawals and 40 weeks to be fully paid out, correct?

You, as a casino have a right to put whatever you'd like into your terms and conditions.

I, as a human being, have a right to call this particular term or item, or arbitrary number of $250 vs. win %, incredulous. Your installments equate to roughly 2.5% of the total amount per week. Less than 3 percent.

Installments are fine. It's the same at most of your competition. But $250 is not. It is in fact, out of the ordinary, to say the least.

So I am appealing to you to reconsider and increase it to 10%, which would equate to $980, and for simplicities sake, just round up to $1,000.

Your own website also states a max cashout of $2,000 on withdrawals, so I am only asking for half of that.

I am trying to be polite, reasonable and fair. This is half of what another part of your website says in it's terms.

So will you please meet me halfway?

I respectfully ask you at least increase the amount to $1,000 a week so we can be done with this in 10 weeks as opposed to 10 months.

I think it is a reasonable request.

Can you please escalate to top level management this email and let me know the response?

Respectfully,

Andrew < surname removed >


And that's where this currently stands.

Can you please help AskGamblers team?

It's time to bring in the 'big guns' or additional help I'm hoping you guys can be the ones that help me resolve this issue.

Please note it was an arduous process to get verified. They said

occasionally, under special circumstances they can do Bitcoin withdrawals. (They accept Bitcoin and other methods of depositing, but only 1 method to withdraw, which is Bank wire transfer. I said since I had no Bank and asked if they could please make a "special circumstances" exception and let me withdraw via Bitcoin - the same way I originally deposited - to which I got a reply of no.)

Please also note these are the only 3 most recent emails / correspondences I've had with them.

In total, over 20 emails have been sent combined between me and BoVegas, and I've also had numerous chats with their live support team.

I would be happy to forward you the long chain email if you'd like.

I read Ask Gamblers guidelines for submitting and notice it said to include any screenshots or things like that that may be helpful but I don't see a way to attach at least on this first submission but I may have some helpful screenshots for you

This has been something I've been trying to resolve for almost 2 months now.

Can you please help AG team?


Respectfully,

Andrew < surname removed >

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Status solved Resolved
$9,800
Slow pay for big win
This casino owes me $29,500 as of this morning (documentation attached) They were slow to verify me but that was eventually done. They allow me to request $2000 at a time with only one pending request allowed for which they will take 10 days to approve. The maximum amount that can be requested at one time is $2000. That's not really fair but that *is* in their terms and conditions, so my bad for not noticing before I played. But every time I request $2000 they only approve $500. That's ridiculous. When I ask why I am only approved for $500 I get this from Mark Miller, Finance Department:
"Withdrawal requests are processed by the casino in installments. Once the withdrawal request has been approved for the installment amount, the remainder of the player’s funds is returned to the player’s account. After withdrawal approval, players may then make further withdrawal requests on the amount that has been returned to the account. Each withdrawal request and accompanying installment is processed individually. Player class influences installment amount as well as time frames of processing a withdrawal request. Player class is mainly determined by depositing, gaming, withdrawal etc. activity of the player."
When I ask Mr Miller to quantify the player class determinations, he deflects (one example attached...many more available if necessary)
I *should* get paid in a timely manner. Frankly I probably wouldn't be so far ahead of them if they *had* paid timely on the front end. I probably wouldn't have been ahead at all. But here we are...
I have wagered plenty enough money there to deserve their highest status as far as getting a maximum payout, especially since the max is so low. I want to at the very least get the $2K payout every time I request until I am paid in full. Hoping for your help here as I can't get a straight answer out of them. Thanks in advance.
Status solved Resolved
$29,500