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6 years ago

I live in Estonia, I am aware of some gambling restrictions, some websites restrict me from access and some allows me. I joined Slotty Vegas and selected Estonia from the drop down. I deposited 3 times in the first week and lost, in the second week i deposited and run my balance upto €2000 and cashed out. At this point Slotty Vegas closed my account and said I used a VPN, I did not use a VPN, i don't know how to. So I've told them its a mistake and prove it and they refuse to.

I used an affiliate to join called Classybeef, I spent many hours watching their Twitch Stream and they heavily promote Slotty Vegas on the Channel. So when i asked them for help Espen from Classybeef told me the case is closed because i am not allowed to play at Slotty Vegas due to "Government Rules in Estonia". Yes its a tricky subject for Online Gambling here i Estonia but sometimes its ok and I've successfully played and won at other online sites. There is nothing in Slotty Vegas terms to say I was not allowed to play, and like i said they have Estonia in the drop down selection upon registration. Other country's are not available in this dropdown like the UK for example but Estonia was. I explained Slotty Vegas allowed me to deposit 4 times in 2 weeks, and they made the decision, not my Government, to close my account and offer me just one deposit refund. They took the decision to allow Estonian Players to join. Why do so if its a problem? Espen said I must of used a VPN to get around the Government restrictions but this is not true, my internet provider allowed me to access the Slotty Vegas.

I have to question Slotty Vegas intentions to have Estonia in the drop down if they believe the Government doesn't want you to play. I also am concerned about Classybeef who receive 40% in commission on anyone's losses who they to refer to any Casino. I trusted Classybeef but for Espen to just say Slotty Vegas is allowed to keep my deposits and winnings because i shouldn't be playing but they let me play is absurd. I also question how Twitch allows these slot streamers to gain massively from these channels with direct deals to the Casinos they are promoting but thats another story. Hopefully you guys here can look into this and make things right.

Disputed Casino Slotty Vegas Casino
Amount €2000

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User name loyalty-level-2
I am so glad to hear this Karl and i hoped for this day to come. I new we could solve this, I just wish i spoke directly to you a Month ago. Thanks Karl and a special Thanks to Ask Gamblers.
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Hi again Dzuliatsub,

Thanks for your patience whilst I investigated this matter.

It would appear that my suspicions are correct. Our fraud system is flagging your account due to IP jumps out of the country, however, it would appear that this is due to your internet service provider routing its traffic through an offshore intermediary datacenter, which results in an IP address which is not consistent with a resident in Estonia, hence you(and we) would be unaware that this is happening.

I'd like to apologise for the inconvenience that this has caused you, and I've spoken with the risk team so that they reopen your account and reinstate your funds.

If you have any issues, please do not hesitate to reach out to me personally.

Kindest Regards,
Karl
Head of Brand
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Hi Dzuliatsub,

Apologies for the issue you're experiencing.

From what you're saying, I have my suspicions that it could be that your internet service provider may be routing its traffic through an offshore datacentre, which you would be completely unaware of.

I'll look into this for you and revert very soon.

Kind regards,
Karl
Head of Brand
User name loyalty-level-2
To add from my experience asking the affiliates for help, they said...

Aff - "You can't even access the site in Estonia because the Government has banned it. I know Estonian people are allowed to play but people in Estonia are not"

So he automatically thinks I did use a VPN for this reason without actually getting any proof from SlottyVegas. My Affiliate promoted Slottyvegas to me after i selected Estonia on their website. Once you put your Country in they give you the list of Sites you can play at.

I can't understand why SlottyVegas has the option to select Estonia as my current address, as you can in the screenshot attached to my complaint, if they decide its not possible to play in Estonia and claim I must of used a VPN to get around Government restrictions. Why give the option to register with my Address if its a problem and let me play multiple times. If they are certain the Government stops it, why offer it? In what circumstance can someone select Estonia and play successfully with them? Somethings going on here. Lose/Lose for me and Win/WIn Situation for them.

Slotty Vegas Casino Complaint Stats

Resolved 25 / 26
Avg. Amount $2,106
Avg. Complaint Duration 4 days
Avg. Response Time 1 day

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Withdrawal of €2,500 still not received since January 12th

I requested two withdrawals at Slotty Vegas casino as far back as the 5th January 2021.

Due to verification issues and then issues withdrawing onto a credit card, my withdrawals were gradually processed on 12th January 2021. This is shown in my payments history on Slotty Vegas website. I have attached a screenshot showing this.

My withdrawals had to be split into two seperate payments (2500 Euro is the max withdrawal you can do in one transaction on the site.) So I requested two separate withdrawals, one for 2500 Euro & one for 700 Euro's. These were both requested as bank transfers, and were both requested using identical, exactly the same bank details. Same number, same account, same name, same swift code etc.

January 14th an email was received from Slotty Vegas confirming payment of the 2500 Euro Withdrawal to my bank account. Jan 22nd an email was received from Slotty Vegas confirming payment of the 700 Euro Withdrawal to my bank account. Both emails I have attached.

Despite the 700 Euro withdrawal, being processed 6 days after the 2500 Euro one. I received this money in my bank with absolutely no issues, 4 days later on the 25th January 2021. it took only 4 working days to arrive, which is standard timeframe I find for bank transfers here in New Zealand. I have attached a screenshot of my bank transactions showing the 700 Euro arriving via bank international transfer from 'Maxtent Limited'. ($1136 NZD which is what I was paid converts to roughly 700 Euro)

As of todays date, which is 7th February 2021, I still have not received the 2500 Euro withdrawal. This is despite, it being processed before the 700 Euro one, back on January 14th. 24 Days ago now.

I have been regularly emailing Slotty Vegas on almost a daily basis, asking for updates and for them to clarify where the 2500 Euro is? At first they kept telling me to be patient, and would give me times frames /dates to wait. Again I've attached all email correspondence for you to read through.

On Friday 29th January, Slotty Vegas emailed me telling me that they had received confirmation from the payment provider that withdrawal was processed, and they were 'certain' the funds would show in my bank within 24-48 Hours. This was not the case. Email Attached

On 31st January 2021 Slotty Vegas emailed me confirming they had entered the correct bank details and that the 2500 Euro withdrawal was definitely paid into same bank account as the 700 Euro one I received. I was also told to wait a further 36 Hours. Email attached.

On Feb 1st 2021, Slotty Vegas emailed me again, this time again confirming payment being processed and they were 'quite sure' money would be with me soon. And that a bank tracer has to organized.

My final email back was received on Feb 4th 2021. I requested that Slotty Vegas reprocess this withdrawal ASAP, as obviously something has gone horribly wrong here. I also requested they also show me proof of withdrawal, and that they can prove they sent it to the correct bank account/ bank details

The reply I got said they will not be reprocessing and they now have to wait for funds to return to there account before they pay me again. I have still not received the proof of payment I requested, which I wanted so I could show you when I raise the complaint. My major concerns here are It's now been 26 days and I still have not received the 2500 Euro withdrawal. I am also concerned that Slotty Vegas have not made the withdrawal correctly, since the 700 Euro withdrawal was processed smoothly without any issues or delay

I'm also concerned this could drag on for weeks/ if not months, If I have to wait the the money to return to there bank. As far I know they could have processed incorrectly, as someone else has my winnings.

My final concern in no-one I speak to whether in live chat, or by email has an idea how to solve the problem, and no-one can give me a timeframe. It seem to be forever changing, and its like they are waiting for the funds to miraculously show in my account 1 month later?

I am more than happy to give any more evidence you require. Please ask if you need anything else from me.

I just want to receive my 2500 Winnings, as its now getting to close to a month since I first requested.

Any help greatly appreciated

Ryan < surname removed >

Status solved Resolved
€2,500