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Wrongfully closed account due to wrong currency and refusing giving my deposit back


9 years ago
So i Made my guts account on the 7th May 2016... seen a nice little 150% promotion on the 11/08/2016 (yes account opened for 6+months) So i am having fun playing all of a sudden logged out Try to log back in told to contact email with KYC so i do waited 15 hours (kinda strange its just a simple KYC) no reply so contact live support Some support agent Named Ola or something Very rude and not helpful at all i changed address since registering so needed the address changing as part of the kyc all of a sudden she comes out with " It does not matter Your account is closed because you opened an account in a different currency " Then instantly closed chat and live chat went away from the site so i was unable to email myself the conversation!.

So after 7 months they finally asked for kyc and then closed the account after i deposited upon making an account nzd was an option i have never had a problem choosing a different currency as long as its there when registering because casino's simply don't give the currency option to people if there not eligible.

Now here is the thing i was WINNING at the time of this happening I still had wager but it was certainly double but i even wavered that just for my deposit back if there reason for an account closure is an invalid one surely i should get my deposit back?.


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Disputed Casino Guts Casino
Amount $150

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Based on submitter's last post AskGamblers Complaints Team consider this case as Resolved and it is officially closed now.

Thank you all for your cooperation.
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I am impressed with how swiftly the REP for the casino seems to sort out problems and from all the complaints on here all got resolved however it is sad that it has to come to this for so many people in the first place.

My account was reopened QUICKLY and i actually managed a really nice cash out from it so it goes to show its worth fighting for what you think is right the withdraw has "completed" but not in my bank yet (obviously it takes a few days)

From my end all is sorted and resolved presuming the withdraw reaches my bank which i am sure it will

Thanks Emir and Thanks Ask Gamblers.
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Hi Erika

Thanks for confirming

Just to clarify, the e-mail was sent to the one used to register in case you did not see it yet. However you have already given the explanation here and as such, your account has been reopened again and you can continue to enjoy your Guts.com experience

I apologize if this was not clearly communicated to you in the first place. It appears to me based on what you are saying, that this was the origin of the problem. It got too much currency focused, which was not really the only reason. As mentioned in the earlier post, the problem is not really the NZD currency, it was just an indicator of something out of the regular as UK registered players tend to sign up with GBP. Along with the login/country mismatch, it raised awareness - not because we don't believe you, but simply because for security reasons to make sure your account is safe, for our and your own safety. The point is not to add more hassle, in fact more out of being protective

I hope this clarified your matter. Should you need to reach out to me regarding anything else, feel free to do so via [email protected]

Thanks for your cooperation during the time of resolving your case

Kind regards
Emir - Support Manager
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Hello Thanks for getting back to me I have not gotten the email so i will just reply here whilst i fully understand the reasons behind it I just didn't get it instructed to me like this one person told me one problem whilst another the other and pretty much told me not to bother with KYC as my account was CLOSED due to NZD anyway I choose to play in NZD purely to make the money go further as i am not a big gambler it makes no odds to you as if i win you pay out less?.

The reason i am logged in from Sweden as if you seen from my Verification of KYC my nationality is Swedish but my home and where i live is in the UK I have work obligations that involves me traveling back here from time to time every few months. I double made sure that Guts Accepts people from Swedish (so the ip would be fine) and made sure on which games id be eligible to play under a UK account (I always change settings to UK after logging in)


I hope this clears things up and will allow me to continue my play.

Best Regards

Erika

Guts Casino Complaint Stats

Resolved 34 / 39
Avg. Amount $2,311
Avg. Complaint Duration 9 days
Avg. Response Time 2 days
Locked account and doing verification 3 weeks
I opened new account, because reviews are positive and payments are fast. I was playing 2-3 months. Deposited a enough money. Not small amounts. One day won $1800. Sent for withdrawal $1600. Right after that they blocked my account. They asked me to do a verification process. I sent everything that was required, after they asked to proof an address again, because they don't accept what I sent (but it was a paper mail, showing name and address, don't understand why it's not good) but ok, I sent 2 different documents to proof my address. So they accept them, told me everything verified and ask me just to wait 24-72 hours and they will reopen my account.
But then this problem just started! They told me they need to see some transactions from bank account showing deposits. So I sent that. After they told me another department has to check that, but it took so long. I chat with them every day and they keep saying same things everytime: please wait the relevant department working on it".
After I got email from them to fill up questionaire "Source of Welth" - my annual income, how I'm getting money etc. It was very strange, because even banks don't ask that kind of questions if you come to open an account. But I really need that money, so I sent them this too.
After that they were just ignoring me, in live chat they were saying wait 24-72 hours, after a week they didnt even say 24-72 hours. And I was very upset.
After 3 weeks of waiting I went to another live chat, but they page of chat was unavailable. So I email them and asked what's going on with my account? They reply same things that relevant department is checking my account. After 3-4 emails they reply me this:

Thank you for contacting our customer support.
Kindly know that we are sadly no longer able to offer our services to residents in Czech Republic in which case your account has been closed accordingly.

We apologise for any inconvenience and thank you for your cooperation and understanding with the above.

Should there be anything else we may assist you with, please do not hesitate to contact support as we are available and happy to help.

May I wish you a pleasant rest of your day.

Best regards,
Maya
Guts Customer Service.

And it's discussting because I am in Canada!!!! Not in Czech Republic!!!! How you can reply this???? So i email them that it should be a mistake. So now I'm just waiting again. I'm very happy I found askgamblers site. I hope Guts casino resolve this through you guys.
Please and thank you.
Status solved Resolved
$1,600
Self exclusion not detected, delaying deposit refunds
Hello,

I was self-excluded with Gamstop on the 04/02/2020. In the same day I received the promotions from Guts casino on my email address and as a gambling addicted I tried to play thinking will make more money. Since 28/02/2020 I deposited couple of hundreds and to be more specific on the 28/02/2020 I deposited £729 and I won around £3500. I tried to withdraw the money but I couldn’t. As an addicted I played more and lose it all. After a time on the website casino appears a mirror where it was saying that I have to send again all the necessary documents for my verification. On the 29/02/2020 I tried to log in again and I had the surprise to see my account was closed. I took the contact with them and said I was self-excluded without any explanations. I contacted the Gamstop and they confirmed me that I was self-excluded from 04/02/2020 and the casino needs to refund me all the deposits because is illegal what they’ve done.
The casino asked me for the Gamstop confirmation of my self-exclusion document for a refund of my deposits. Gamstop confirmed me that they sent all the necessary documents on the 2nd of March for the Casino which attest that I was self-excluded from 4th of February and the casino said they received the document on the 4th of March and that will take up to 72 hours for checking. Since that day they are saying that I need to wait for the checking but I consider that they have all the documents from Gamstop which attest I was self-excluded from 4th of February. What should I do forward to recover my deposits back which are £1109.

Thank you very much.
Status unsolved Unresolved
£1,109
Refuse to refund fees charged on withdrawals even though its a known issue

I had noticed that everytime I requested a withdrawal at Guts that they were not depositing the correct amount into my bank. After confirming that the currency selected on my guts account is correct (Canadian) I had contacted them and given them the following information on the dates of the withdrawals along with the amount requested and the differences in the amounts:

The response received was as follows;

Hi Lisa,

Thank you for choosing Guts, and I trust that this email finds you well.

Please note that the fees are due to the fact that we operate under a different currency. However, no charges or fees are taken from our side. I would kindly ask you to check about his with your bank provider.

Have a great day!

Best regards,

Nora,Support Advisor,Guts Customer Support


This is the reply I sent to them showing all the dates along with the transaction id's and amounts received and now they are not responding.

I have checked this with my bank and was not charged any fees. I also have my bank statements showing all fees charged for the entire month in the month the withdrawals were processed and the only fees I was charged on the bank end was my monthly account fee of $15.95

Here are the dates and amounts withdrawn from guts and amounts which were deposited in my bank.

November 26th/2019

Transaction ID: 2019110100100055790

withdrawal $319.52

Received $280.20

difference $39.32

november 21st/2019

Transaction ID: 2019110100100042995

withdrawal $250

received $210.64

Difference: $39.36

April 17th/2018

Transaction ID: 2018040100100056545

withdrawal $300

received $260.01

difference $39.99

march 21st/2018

Transaction ID: 2018030100100074179

withdrawal $502

Received $461.88

difference $40.12

january 8/2018

Transaction ID: 2018010100100025413

withdrawal $84

received $61.75

difference $22.25

total amount missing : $181.04


They sent me this reply as well via email:

Hi Lisa,

I hope this email finds you well.

I am terribly sorry that you have been charged these fees however as mentioned in our previous email, we do not charge any fees from our end.

May I suggest trying to deposit and withdraw using an e-wallet to avoid such charges in the future?

If you require any further assistance or have any other queries, please do not hesitate to contact us again.

Thanks and regards,

Hayden,Support Advisor,Guts Customer Support

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The same issue has been addressed by another Canadian player via askgamblers in this complaint:

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I am attaching the screenshots of the emails I received when Guts processes my withdrawal along with the bank statements showing another amount was deposited. As I chose Canadian currency for my account these withdrawals should be deposited in Canadian funds and if they are not the fees are the responsibility of the casino as they themselves admitted during that previous complaint.

Status solved Resolved
$181
Loss Limit Option Not Working
Hello, ive been Playing on Guts.com and had a awesome Winning Streak which ended up in 1250Eur Winnings, which i set to Withdrawal. After i started the Withrdawal Process, i setted up a Loss Limit of 51Eur for a Week, since i dont want to let myself Loose my Winnings, eg. Reverse the Withdrawal, well the Loss Limit did worked well, i couldnt Play any Game on the Website without getting the "Loss Limit Exceed" Popup. Alright, so i usualy set Loss Limits, to dont Reverse my Withdrawal, to keep the Winnings Payd-out instead of having a weak moment which costs my entire Winnings. Well Unfortunately i was still Able to Exceed the Loss Limit trough the Websites Poker Client -> Including Microgaming Slots , which i COULDNT Play on the Websites Casino Section itself, but trough the Web-Based Poker-Client, which is Technical Issue on the Casinos Responsability, what i mean is : I wanna have Refund of all the Bets , eg. the Money Amount that Exceeds the Loss Limit of 51Eur (>>1250Eur) since the Responsible Gaming Function of the Website malfunction and still let me Exceed my Setuped Limit after Withdrawal Queue. Read here the Chatlog : ***************************** (15:57:06): Loss Limit Issue -> Need to talk to a Support Manager please. System (15:57:06): You’re with Guts, how can we help? Stefan (15:57:33): Hello Rico, I can see what I can do for you there. Stefan (15:57:59): may I kindly ask you to confirm your full name, email address, date of birth, please before I can see if I can get. Stefan (15:58:11): get one~ Me (15:58:29): Me Stefan (15:59:16): Thank you Rico. Can you please give me a moment while I'm trying to get hold of one? Me (15:59:31): Thanks Stefan (16:00:33): I can see that you currently have a net loss limit of 51 euro's per week set on your account. Would you like this to be changed? Me (16:01:58): no no, i have to complain, since the Limit Didnt worked as it should. Thats why i need to talk to a Support Manager since its a special case. Stefan (16:02:58): Unfortunately, you're not able to speak to a support manager as the support handles all the complaints. As it did not work, I can have a look for you to see exactly what is issue was as to why it did not work. Me (16:04:18): Do you see when i have setuped the Limit? I mean exactly Date and Time..? Stefan (16:04:54): Yes, I can see the exact time and date you set the limit, which was on the 2018-09-14 19:19:00 UTC Stefan (16:05:39): It was reset on the 17th of september as it is a weekly limit. Me (16:06:09): Alright fine, do you agree with me, that after setting this Limit , it would be impossible to Lose more then 51Eur for the Period of a Week right? Stefan (16:09:06): Basically it's your deposited money and not your winnings as you have won on us. Therefore you have not lost. As you still have a winning session. You can not lose more than what you deposit, if you have a net loss limit of 51 EUR that is how much you can maximum lose. Stefan (16:10:03): However, you currently have a winning session a quite big one. Me (16:14:05): Yeah, i put the Winnings on Withdrawal Queue and setted up the Limit, which indeed worked, BUT there was Still a Possibility to still Gamble the Whole amount, with Slots , and this is a Issue that is Violating the Responsible Gaming Part of the Casino itself as Operator Stefan (16:15:46): Yes, that is correct you could still gamble the entire amount as you have won around 1200 euros, you are on the plus side. Which means that you have a winning session as you are not using your deposited money, you are using your winnings. Which is as to why you can gamble up to 1251 instead of only 51.00 euro per week down to. Me (16:18:52): Which is not Stated in any Terms of the AGB, and as i said before, prior setting the Limit i put the winnings to withdrawal queue, and as i said before, its an Software Issue, and should not be possible to happen. Stefan (16:19:33): I'm gonna have a look at this as I have escalated this to see exactly what is going on, can you please hold on for me? Me (16:20:24): yes ofocourse. Stefan (16:20:39): Thank you for that. :) Stefan (16:21:57): We are gonna double check everything. We are gonna get back to you over email as we need to review this. Stefan (16:22:56): As I have not received an answer or they have not been able to see my message. As soon as we receive an answer regarding this, we will get back to you as soon as possible. Me (16:23:30): Alright. Thanks Stefan (16:24:04): No, problem. Sorry I could not give you an answer straight away as it has to be escalated. However you will receive an answer as soon as possible. Stefan (16:26:29): Are you still here Rico? Me (16:26:37): yes Stefan (16:27:39): You should receive an email today. As I have escalated this. Therefore, right now there's nothing I can do except wait. Stefan (16:30:20): Hold on, I managed to get a response Me (16:30:37): ok Stefan (16:32:30): Ok, so it is that you have lost 11 euro in gross, which is not close to those 51 euro. Therefore you can still lose 40 euro as it counts as the deposit money not winnings. Stefan (16:33:47): As it is what you have deposited you can lose (that counts to the net loss limit). Me (16:36:30): I understand, but still let me lose the Whole Winnings 0f 1250Eur , trough the Poker Webclients Built in Microgaming Casino, which should NOT be Possible, but it is. And its the Casino`s Responsibility to dont let the Limits exceeded, however. Stefan (16:38:37): Those 1200 Euros that you lost are gross losses and not net losses. So far you have lost 11 euros in net losses, since that is from your deposit. Me (16:43:12): This is nowhere stated in the Terms&Conditions. BTW: For what is the Deposit Limit Function ? I repeat, the Loss Limit worked very well, i couldnt play any Casino Game at all, without getting the Notification that i reached my Loss Limit. In Fact, there`s Practically no similiaritys which you describe how that loss limit should work. BUT i was Able to Play the Money THROUGH the Poker-Client`s Built-in Slotmachines, which Violates the Loss Limit, and is a Violation of your Responsible Gambling Regulation. Stefan (16:45:30): Oh ok, then I understand what the issue is. I'm gonna send this further as this is gonna have to be escalated. Stefan (16:46:32): Then you will be receiving an email as it could be tomorrow that you receive an answer. Due to the escalation that is needed. Stefan (16:51:55): As I am not receiving an answer I'm gonna close the chat, and you will receive an update over email as soon as we have an update. Please helpme getting back my Winnings, since its not my Fault, its a Software Issue In the Meanwhile they closed my Account because of "Investigation" , so i went back to Live-Chat asking whats going on : Me (04:53:03): Why you have Closed my Account without notification? System (04:53:03): You’re with Guts, how can we help? Veli (04:53:58): Hello Rico! Lets solve this immediately! Veli (04:54:07): For security reasons, I need you to confirm your home address, phone number and date of birth. Veli (04:54:10): I am sorry to hear this. Me(04:54:49): verification Datas supplied Veli (04:57:05): Thank you. Sorry for taking this time. Me (04:58:47): Alright Veli (05:00:25): Your account is in a normal security control. We will let you know when your investigation has finished. I apologize for the inconvenience caused. Me (05:01:56): What timeframe can i expect ? since its 2 weeks ago Veli (05:04:35): It is a technical difficulty that is being fixed. I am sorry, but there is no time frame at this moment. We will let you know once it is checked. Veli (05:06:59): Remember, we are here around the clock for your assistance! Is there anything else I can help you with? If not, Thank you for coming to 'Live Chat'. Feel free to rate me and leave a comment as you close the chat. That is highly appreciated! Thank you! Veli (05:11:06): Bye! Since the chat hasn't been active for a while, I will close it down and help other players. Do not hesitate to contact us again. Thank you. Today i Received the Following E-Mail Concerning the Complaint: Hi , I hope all is well. I'm contacting you regarding your your query from September 15th regarding your casino net loss limit. Please be advised that your casino net loss limit only applies to games played in the casino section of the website and you were therefore able to play in the poker client, if you wish to have a net loss limit on poker then that is something you need to apply in the poker client. Can you please confirm how you feel in regards to your gaming, do you feel in full control? I'm asking as you decided to play for your funds even though you believed it exceeded your limit. We offer a self-exclusion option on site for players who feel they're gambling has become a problem, a self-exclusion blocks you from Guts and our sister sites for a specified duration, is this something you would like to use? Best regards Casper Player Safety Team Leader Guts Customer Support Which i Responded : Hi Casper, I cannot believe to get such a Redickeless Answer after such a long "investigation" Time, since its YOUR FAULT , that let me Exceed a Limit , which was Setted Correctly, but your Implementation in Website does not Work as it should. 1.Please be advised that your casino net loss limit only applies to games played in the casino section of the website and you were therefore able to play in the poker client Dont Tell me, the Slots which i could acess trough the Poker-Client aren`t the Same/Different then the Microgaming Slots i couldn`t Acess trought the Casino-Section, if you review the Log-Files we knew, THEY ARE IDENTICALLY , only the Way to Acess them, was possible to me, because of the Software-Fault it has inside, and i would Accept without any Reason, if i`ve losed my Winning by Playing Poker over the Poker-Client,but its not! Can you please confirm how you feel in regards to your gaming, do you feel in full control? I feel Scamed, Regarding that your Software-Bug did Cost my Winnings, which should NEVER EVER Happen, According to the Responsible Gambling Part, youre offering Limiting-Tools which are definately not work corectly. Because i knew, there`s maybe a little Moment of my Personal Issue, to Reverse Withdrawal and Gamble more, my Methodology was always the same, and works Great for me, its easy and simple: Deposit -> WinCertainAmount -> PutTheAmountidLiketoWithdrawToWithdraw -> with the Restamount i leave on the Balance -> Seting the Loss Limit for the Timeframe i expect for the Withdrawal Suceeds -> Thats the Effectivest way, and works Fine for me! I dont need any Self-Exclusion or whatever, in my Opinion its your Responsibility, that your Limitation/ResponsibleGambling Tools Provided are WORKING, which in my Case, FAILED. And Because its your Responsibility as Provider with License, to Ensure the SaferGambling Regulations and be fully Responsible, when those Arent working. (EG: Ive made the Decision to Safe my Winnings, with the Loss Limit Function and it seemed to Work, (and to Exclude the Poker Webclient from the Casino Section and the Limit-Function is wheter stated anywhere in your Terms & Conditions, nor make you Irespondible, for what happend!) I would sugest the Same Procedure as it would be Fair, and Correct, to Reverse any Bettings taken after the Point the Loss Limit Failed to work, otherwise il have to Escalate the Whole Complaint, trough UKGC & MGA / AskGamblers / ADR which i just haven`t done yet, believing Guts.com is a Serious and Responsible Provider, which Acts Regulation Conform, and i still think (hope) we are find a Solution, which Satisify both Parities. Thanks in Advance
Status solved Resolved
€1,250
Not completing my verification
I had been spending and wining on Guts when I was asked for a verification process to be carried out. I have already done this and was done when I opened the account a year or 2 ago. I've always been able to make withdrawals with no problems. I was asked to provide a number of proof photos for the cards I was using, this is fine and I did this. However they asked me to provide a photo of a credit card that expired a year ago and no longer exists. they told me to go to a bank and ask for a proof of ownership. ( I work in a bank and in New Zealand, this does not exist) So i went to my bank at a great cost of time and travel and they were only able to provide an old satement and stamp it. this is now 3 days after the first request. I submitted this statement and contcted GUTs to say its with them. they said to wait 24 hours. So I did, contacted them 24 hours later and the rep said that they need the document. (by now i'd been told so much rubbish from so many reps) I asked for a manager and spoke to someone who was able to confirm they have all the documents, and all are correct. Great ! she said it will be verified and unlocked very soon, or within 24 hours. Its been 6 days since that conversation and they are not verifying my account. I want to withdraw about $1000 and this is just so difficult. I have just been in touch with them and they just wont or cant tell me anything. They just say the team are needing to do extra checks. Would 6 days not be enough. Anyway, please can you help me as I just want to withdraw the cash and use the account again. I have full transcripts of the comical chats Ive had with the reps Thank you
Status rejected Rejected
$1,000