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Casino denied withdraw of 10 000 euros


5 years ago
I signed into my account 7.8.2020 at Lucky Days and revceived a ”50% bonus up to 50€” -offer. I succesfully deposit 50€ and got 25€ worth of bonus money. I accepted the offer and carefully read the terms & conditions which state in Finnish ”...bonus has to be wagered 40x before the possible wins turn into real money.” (Photo Attachment 1). In the other term page meant for other countries players(?) in Finnish language, there is a wagering requirement of clearly classified ”25 x bonus & deposit”. (Photo Attachment 2)

Since activating the bonus, I checked my wallet and saw two classified amounts: my deposit money 50€ as real money and on the right side 25€, my bonus money. Once pressing the real money, there came and still comes a text bubble which states in Finnish: ”Money, which is not related to bonus and is withdrawable.” (Photo Attachment 3)

I started playing, and wagered 0,10-5€ stakes (the range which is allowed for bonuses) for total amount of 2627,10 euros (Counted from attachment Game Activities 1.xlsx) That is over 100x wagering of the bonus money. Since wagering the bonus money (minimum wager requirement of 40x almost tripled), I changed my stake to 7,5€.

After playing for a while with real money which were unlocked as withdrawable funds, my total wins climbed up to 10 000€. I withdrew my money and they needed my documents, I sent them succesfully.

The next day the payment department cancelled my withdraw for good due to playing over the maximum bet limit (5€) while the bonus is active. The outcome was final according to them and will not be further reviewed. Since sending them multiple emails about the case, they sent me 50€ (My deposit) back as a sign of ”good will”, and a game log which clearly shows how my deposit money is wrongly counted as bonus money, as every stake with real money added up to the wagering requirement. (Attachment ”Game Activities 1.xlsx”) I tried to find the bonus in my account, but there was nothing in bonus history, and in my personal game history it does not show the bonus wagering, only stakes and winnings.

The only proof I got which states that my original deposit would be considered as bonus money is from a text which a customer service agent sent me after the withdrawn attempt and after the payment department no longer answered my emails. The text claims there was a specific term of ”40x bonus + deposit” in my bonus offer.

The customer service also told me that the standard terms of 40x bonus means both deposit money and the bonus money and pointed out that in case of language mistakes, the English rules applies - even though written in English terms they are divined and clearly written 25x Bonus + Deposit. I did search the internet for history of LuckyDays deposit bonuses, but could only find ”40x bonus” and ”25x bonus+deposit” terms.

If there really did read those terms of both deposit and bonus wagering of 40x (denying the standard terms), the amount in my case was:
Not combined at my wallet to total of 75€ bonus money, rather classified as two different amounts, real money (50€) and bonus money (25€).
And like I wrote earlier, when clicking on the real money a text bubble of ”Amount which is not related to bonus money and can be withdrawn.” (Attchment 3) pops up. In my opinion this is a waterproof statement. The real money does not have to be wagered or counted as bonus money, but in my situation it was.

I have had time to review this case again and again, and always come to the same conclusion: I did obey all of the given terms & conditions I was aware of, and have screenshots of the terms which speak up to themselves. The casino should be responsible to their own stated rules, if they are incorrect a player should not be responsible. I agree for any natively Finnish speaking individual to translate and confirm what the photos of the terms say if my translation is not considered trustworthy.

And on a side note: In my experiment, casinos also have a warning signs if you cross over the maximum bet while bonus is active, or at least raise up the wagering requirements if you stake over the maximum - in my case there was nothing.

I would also like to point out a possible mistake in their part which may have lead to this outcome. All of the money depositted to this casino have a 1x wagering requirement before the remaining amount is withdrawable. This may cause a confusion for the payment department to including this real deposit money as a part of active bonus (50% up to 50€), rather it really is due to different rule (1x wager of every deposit.) (Photo Attachment 4). This would also somehow explain the wager counter changing from ”locked money” to ”Bonus money” in the timeline part ”2020-08-07 15:28:55” of ”Game Activities 1.xlsx” -attachment.
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Amount €10000

Discussion

User name

Dear all,

Kindly note that the AskGamblers Complaint Team requested additional evidence and details from the Lucky Days Casino team due to the fact that we considered the information and proof they presented not justified enough to confirm the accusations against the player.

Should the operator fail to provide such an update within the specified timeframes, the case shall be considered unresolved and will be closed accordingly.

User name loyalty-level-2
Hello Lucky Days and thank you for the answer.

Since reading your answer I think my points are still ignored, so according to you, if player happens to miss the front page where those terms were claimed to be, like in my case, there is no way of knowing the specific terms of the bonus anymore.

In addition to that, I remember looking at my wallet with 50€ on real money and 25€ on bonus money, which also stated that the deposit money did not have wagering requirements when pressing the real money on my phone. After that, since navigating to my account to check the terms of the active bonus, it directs me to a terms page which tells me ”40x bonus”. My money was being classified as real money and my bonus offer directing me to the standard terms are for me clear rules, and I did obey them.

Even if it really was a 17 spin breach of the rules, you cannot deny the fact that the specific bonus ruled even in that case was not clearly enough stated, as per shown yourself, there was only the front page where they could be seen, since missing the front page and the one single link where they are seen, they are no longer accessible during the deposit (applying of the offer) itself, or afterwards when specifically searching for them - even directing me to different stated bonus terms.

On a side note: 90% of my winnings were won with real money way after every possible bonus terms were wagered. I do not agree for the winnings being confiscated due to claimed rules which are even not clearly made accessible for the player itself, and even directing me to different terms when clicking on the offer.
User name

Dear Lucky Days Casino,

The AskGamblers Complaint Team is kindly asking you to provide a detailed explanation of the issue along with all the relevant facts and evidence that could support your accusations towards the player. Please send required information to suppor­t@a­skg­amb­ler­s.com directly.

Please note that according to the AGCCS Terms, we consider all the information presented during the course of our complaint process confidential and as such it will not be shared with third parties.

Please be in aware that in case you fail to respond and/or provide requested information within the given timeframe, the complaint will be closed as unresolved.

Thanks in advance for your cooperation.

User name
Please see attached screenshots showing where the terms and conditions of a bonus can be displayed on the home page.
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