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Refusing to send wire transfers for withdrawals


I am a player at Grand Fortune Casino and I have went through all the account verification and submitted all the requested documentation Drivers License Front and Back, Auto Insurance for address verification, Authorization Form and Copies of my CC front and back. It was going back and forth from the start with there support representatives saying they did receive it, than it was they hadn’t received it. Than I was again checking on the status of my verification yet again and this representative stated to me that he indeed seen that the email was received but I needed to provide him with copies of my information personally and had me send them to him through the chat box. After compiling and still receiving the same normal run around I became very uncomfortable for the fact that he had me send this information to him over chat and all there emails and communication state “for the safety of our players we ask players to not send personal or financial documents over chat, to send by email to the appropriate department” so when I asked the representative why he had me do that when they themselves have advised players not to do that,‘I was put off with another one of there never straight answers. I told them at that time I would be canceling my credit cards all except one due to the fact one of there charges had not cleared as well a few other purchases I made elsewhere. I sent the authorization forms to them as well through email for the requested credit card information on the cards I had cancelled and eventually all documentation was approved fully verified.
I ended up winning $5000.00 and requested a withdrawal and read all there requirements to due so which I have attached to this complaint. I have been battling with these people for over 2 weeks on getting them to process my withdrawal. They sent a return email requesting all my banking information which I have provided throughly which I’ve also attached here. They are now saying to me that my bank is not acceptable due to it is not on some list of banks they work with which is no where stated on there own terms and conditions on there website nor was that information provided to me at any time during this process. When speaking to a Mr Travis Heyden from the payout department I expressed to him how they were being very deceitful to players by not informing them of such list he In turn told me he would give me a few of the banks names on his list but it was against “policy” all three names of the bank names he provided conveniently did not cover my area when asked to be provided all names of there “list” it was declined. This casino is purposely and intentionally ripping off players by not disclosing all information and requirements to there players to be able to get a payout. Attached below are only a few transcripts and messages that I’ve received from this casino clearly showing there dishonesty.

Travis Heyden (Support Center)
Dec 16, 2020, 3:29 PM GMT+1

Hi Tina,

Thank you for your information.

Unfortunately, bank details for Transferwise is not acceptable for payments.

Can you let us know if you have an alternative bank available? Kindly furnish the name(s) of either other bank accounts you currently have and/or are considering opening and we'll be happy to check them beforehand; this is necessary as we don't process payments to all banks.

We will be waiting on your response.

Regards,

Travis Heyden
My reply:
would like to be explained to what makes my banking information not acceptable!!!!
As listed below is from your terms and conditions

No joint bank accounts accepted. (2) NO Business accounts allowed. (3) Bank account must allow processing of both FedACH and Fedwire payments. If you are not sure, please verify with your bank. (4) If you were born in a country other than where this bank account originates, please contact customer support for additional documentation requirements. IMPORTANT Notes: - We cannot use Intermediary or third-party banks. - The Bank's address cannot be a P.O. BOX. - Please double check all the information. In case there is a problem due to mistaken account information, it can result in lost, delayed or forfeited wire transfer and we cannot guarantee the payment will be reissued. If the payout can be re-issued an administrative fee of $250 will be assessed. - Not all types of bank accounts allow international wires. It is the customer's responsibility to confirm if there are any restrictions as documented in your banks Terms and Conditions. - Please be aware that as this is an international transaction, your bank and other banks involved may charge additional currency conversion and fees.

With that all being said I would like for you to show me within those terms and conditions does my banking information violate any of your own rules!!!!
His repy:
Travis Heyden (Support Center)
Dec 16, 2020, 5:52 PM GMT+1

Dear Tina,

Firstly, I want to ensure you that I genuinely do want to help you to sort this out and get you paid. I also ensure you that your winning is and will be 100% safe in your casino balance until you are paid. You will receive everything you won. You deserve it.

However, for us to do so we need a payout information which is acceptable and where we can release your fund. The reason we can't accept aforementioned bank is that our payment will be rejected from your end & some risk involving which may cause problems with our payment service providers.

So, my offer for you to proceed further is to ask for an alternative bank details.
If you have an alternative bank available, kindly furnish the name(s) of either other bank accounts you currently have and/or are considering opening and we'll be happy to check them beforehand; this is necessary as we don't process payments to all banks.

Your kind cooperation and patience are very much appreciated!

Regards,

Travis Heyden
My reply:
On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 9:41 AM Tina Schoeb wrote:

So we will go ahead and break all the terms and conditions OF YOUR OWN WEBSITE
1. No joint bank accounts - mine is not
2. No business accounts - mine is not
3. Must allow FedACH and FEDWire payments- mine does
4. Born other than the country my bank originates - I do not
5. Can not use Intermediary or third party banks- mine is not either
6. Banks address can not be a P.O. Box - mine is not
7. is the customer's responsibility to confirm if there are any restrictions as documented in your banks Terms and Conditions. - Please be aware that as this is an international transaction, your bank and other banks involved may charge additional currency conversion and fees. - I have done so and verified such.

So YOU WILL USE THE INFORMATION PROVIDED AND PROCESS MY TRANSFER PLEASE!!
Otherwise you will show me within your own rules and regulations for withdrawals that I am not in compliance!!!!!!!!

I do have many many more if needed
Thank you
Disputed Casino Grand Fortune Casino
Amount $5000

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Dear all,

As apparent from the submitter's latest post, the AskGamblers Complaint Team is pleased to announce the case has been resolved and closed.

We thank both parties for their assistance during the complaint process.

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Tawni I did finally receive my last withdrawal which I am glad I no longer have to deal with Grand Fortune Casino and there staff. I appreciate all your help genuinely. For the record the reason I did not provide my chase account is because I hold a business account there as it clearly states no business account under the list of withdrawal methods that will not be acceptable. Also for the record I am employed with chase and I work remotely.

I also would like to touch on the fact that your right I did not have to come to be what it was when all that needed to be done was me given the list of banking Institutes that are acceptable also I stand by my on going argument that the list they have should be told to your players before hand to give people the opportunity to know up front. Which is clearly not provided. When a player follows all requirements that are listed on the web page regarding withdrawals and are told there bank is not acceptable it than creates a issue that does not need to be, if the casino would just be up front with there players.

As for my drivers license not sure what you are looking at but there is no difference between anything, my drivers license photo clearly showed my date of birth. Also my debit card being not allowed to be used for deposits also should be stated on your web page. As for refunding my all my deposits for the record I asked for that at the beginning of this entire situation and was told no.

So I again stand behind everything I said in each and every chat and email. As for trying to make a deposit yes I did under the assumption with you taking care of this situation it would be not a problem to take another chance, I’m very glad the transaction did not go through.

Every conversation with the staff from this casino was insulting and unprofessional from the start and that I do not take well. It was a consistent cat and mouse game with each and every person.

And also for the record on my quest to find other players that had fallen victim of this casinos behavior was mind blowing and unsettling. It does not surprise me on why this casino is listed as Blacklisted on so many web pages.

The casino is owned by a well known thief and will always be known as a thief the license this casino holds is also shady so everyone is well aware.

With all that being said I do thank you for all that you did I have no ill feeling towards you nor would I ever speak anything but respectful towards you because you are doing players right. As for Grand Fortune Casino my thoughts and opinions of them will remain the same. If the casino would be treating there players fairly and honestly excuse me for saying this but they wouldn’t need a “advocate” but the victims of this casino should be grateful they have you there to resolve the casinos dishonest ways.

Thank you and stay safe

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Dear @Groomer114,

The AskGamblers Complaint Team is kindly asking you to update your complaint in a timely manner and confirm if you consider the issue resolved. Please note that, in case you fail to respond within the given timeframe we will consider your case resolved and it will be closed accordingly.

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Hi Tina--

Just as I posted my last reply to you, I received today's updated payments report. It appears your second withdrawal was issued to your wallet, yesterday: 1/5 Paid $2500 (0.07671298) + no Service Fee BTC transaction #34887286

I understand that being paid in Bitcoin was not your first choice in payment, however, your actions/statements left us with no other option. When it comes to banking, we have no choice but to follow the edicts our processors place before us. When a processor presents us with a list of banks they are unable to issue payments to, there is nothing we can do to circumvent this. While you may believe you know everything about banking, you clearly do not understand third-party processing for U.S. players, which is incredibly complicated.

It is rare that I ever put my two cents in. I feel I am incredibly fair with players...treat them well...advocate for them when I believe the casino is in the wrong...and I do everything I can to treat everyone respectfully. While you may be frustrated on your end, much of this could have been avoided. I was up front with you regarding your banking situation. Because you had asked (PRIOR to my becoming involved) to be paid in Bitcoin, I authorized for you to be paid in this manner. Once I explained this to you, you sent me your crypto address and then followed with pullback, saying you now wanted wires.

During all this, you made threats of chargebacks. We take chargeback threats seriously and in most situations, we simply refund our players, ban the accounts and void all winnings. We opted not to do this, as we were genuinely trying to work towards a resolution for you. When we noticed a discrepancy with your two drivers licenses, we could have declined your withdrawals. When you stated you 'work for Chase Bank,' we asked you to provide wire details for Chase, as this would have been the easiest path to go. You did not provide details for that bank and interestingly, there are no Chase Bank offices in more than 180 miles of where you live.

I was surprised to see that while you've been screaming about how terrible we are, you attempted to make another deposit into our casino on December 29th. When you found your deposit options had been disabled, you contacted our live chat:

04:06:38 PM) Tina: Maybe you can explain. To me why in the hell do you have restrictions on my deposit methods
(04:07:12 PM) Tina: After ALL THE VERIFICATION CRAP IVE WENT THROUGH WITH YOU PEOPLE
(04:07:40 PM) Tina: You have the audacity to put limits on my credit card deposits
(04:09:06 PM) Tina: You know what honestly don’t bother I don’t honestly want to play here anyways I should know better my bad!!!

For the record, the reason your deposit options were disabled is because we discovered you were depositing using funds through a debit card issued by your previous state (state unemployment funds). Had this been recognized upon your initial deposit, your account would have been disabled immediately.

Cutting to the chase, with the harassing emails, threats/abuse and spurious information you provided, we would have been well within our rights to not pay. We are not 'thieves' or 'scammers.' It was unfortunate that the banks you were using were not banks which our processor could issue payment to--it was simple as all that. You simply chose to escalate this to a level which it did not need to go.

So now that we have proven we've wanted to pay you all along--and followed through with those payments, I believe this issue should be considered resolved.

Tawni

Tawni

Grand Fortune Casino Complaint Stats

Resolved 82 / 98
Avg. Amount $3,333
Avg. Complaint Duration 17 days
Avg. Response Time 3 days

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Stalling my withdrawal approval and delaying my payout

Hey @AskGamblers I need your help again.

On July 25th I joined The Grand Fortune Casino and was given a free chip bonus. I finished the wager requirements and after the extra funds were removed I was left with the max cash-out amount of 100$. I put in my withdrawal request the same day and 3 days later on the 28th it was denied because I didn’t have an active Bitcoin account; in other words, I needed to make a Bitcoin deposit first, or otherwise I would have to make the withdrawal request a bank wire.

So I talked to one of the agents and ran it all by him to make sure I understood correctly and was given the green light. I made a Bitcoin deposit of 21$ to play with and put in my coin draw Bitcoin withdrawal request for the 100$ on July 29th.

The casino's terms and conditions, states that all withdrawal will be reviewed and processed within 7 business days, and the payout be made within 7-10 business days.

I contacted the casino on the 8th of August to check the status and was briefly told there would be an escalation filed and to check back after 24 to 48 hours. I waited 3 days and contacted them on Aug 11 there was no update whatsoever, I was just told again that they’re gonna file an escalation and to check back after 24 to 48 hours. I waited again for 3 days and contacted them today on Aug 14th and was told I needed an alternative payment method, then the agent asked me for the bank information and included a bunch of required features the bank account needed for the wire.

I thought that was very strange considering the previous agent requested and verified my Bitcoin address in the conversation 3 days prior. Also, the agent couldn’t give me a reason for the request. I thought it was all kind of shady considering it wasn’t his department as he mentioned and that the withdrawal still needed to be approved by the casino before it could even be handled by the withdrawal/payout department.

I expressed my suspicion to the agent about the process and questioned why they couldn’t just approve the withdrawal first so that the payout department could just contact me if there was problems. After that, it just felt like he was stalling and giving me the run around to avoid processing the withdrawal idk maybe in hopes that I’d just forget or give up. He ended the chat by basically telling me either send the bank wire info or keep waiting and filed another “escalation”.

Luckily I emailed myself the transcript of the chat just before he deleted it cause I was unable to download it. Idk if he was trying to cover up my request or so they’re just wouldn’t be any proof of his sketchy request for my bank information. I’m not sure but I just want my withdrawal processed and approved so I could get my payout, and can you please help @AskGamblers

Status solved Resolved
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