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By ChrisJ
6 years ago

Dear Sirs and Madames,

it is about the online casino casinoeuro.com. The operator of this website is BML Group Ltd, Maltese company registration number C-34836, having its registered address at ´Betsson Experience Centre‘, Ta‘ Xbiex Seafront, Ta‘ Xbiex, XBX 1027, Malta.

I would like to describe my problem in as much detail as possible and thank you very much for your time and help!

I created my account at casinoeure.com/de on 20.05.20 by a recommendation from an online streamer. I am a new customer to this website and have never had any contact with this page before.

I paid 50 € on May 20, 2018 and used the welcome offer (100% bonus: 50 €). After I gambled away my 50€ real money, I was able to successfully wager the bonus money.

With bigger hits I was finally able to achieve 800.22€ and requested a payment of the amount.

On May 22nd, however, I found that the payment had been canceled. I originally assumed that I had accidentally canceled the payout myself and contacted the customer service via live chat to reverse this cancellation. I have been informed that I will shortly receive an email when I can request that payment of my winnings again.

Instead, an email came out saying that after a thorough check of my account, all winnings were confiscated, but I would get my deposit of 50€ back. According to the e-mail, this is related to GTC 12.1, which is as follows:

All bonuses are only available once per person, family, household, address, email address, credit card number, bank account, telephone number, computer / device and / or IP address."

Even after almost 1 week of e-mail contact, my alleged breach of terms and conditions is not explained to me in more detail, but only referred to 12.1. I haven’t had a reply for 5 days, so my request is ignored.

All data was given correctly and error-free when I registered, I am a completely new customer on this website and as a result have used the welcome offer once and for the first time. I met all bonus wagering rules meticulously. Verification was also offered by me to prove that I am a real person and that I am extremely cooperative. After all, it is about the legitimate profit for which I invested my time and before that my real money.

So far, casinoeuro has not given me the opportunity:

- to understand where the specific problem lies that justifies the retention of profits (GTC 12.1 person? family? household? address? Etc.)

- To rule out that casinoeuro made a mistake

- To rule out that casinoeuro has simply made a false claim in order to sporadically prevent withdrawals of bonus funds


Even if a payment of my winnings of 750,09 € should no longer be possible, as a new customer I have to be provided with precise and understandable evidence that justifies the retention of winnings by casinoeuro! Otherwise, all doors are open for fraud and cunning.

Finally to the points of the general terms and conditions 12.1, which I should have violated:

Person: I am a new customer & a real person who used the bonus for the first time / once (no violation)

Family: I am in close contact with my family and can 100% rule out that someone has already used the bonus (no violation)

Household: I live with my partner and can 100% rule out that she has already used the bonus (no violation)

Address: I live in a multi-party rental house, as well as millions of people in Germany who live in large locations, etc. All 8 neighbors or even previous tenants logically had the same home address. It is impossible for me and all other customers to check that one of these people has already used the bonus on casinoeuro (and also unreasonable)! The terms and conditions would be dubious in my opinion and a breach of the terms and conditions would be preprogrammed!

I could specify my address by my apartment number. Only that is generally not done in Germany and therefore it was not given by me. In order to resolve this dispute and to avoid a misunderstanding, I am ready to further specify my address.

E-mail address: my email address, which was used to register for casinoeuro, was never used for this bonus before (no violation)

Credit card number: no credit card available (no violation)

Bank account: first-time use of online banking for the deposit of € 50 and use of the bonus (no violation)

Telephone number: was also never used on casinoeuro, only for the creation of my account (no violation)

Computer / device and / or IP address: The bonus was activated and used for the first time / once only on 20.05.20 by my desktop PC. To my knowledge, it has never been activated from my PC before. The bonus was also completely wagered on my PC on May 20, 2018 and the payment was requested with this. (Computer / device: no violation). Only on the following day did I use my mobile phone to deposit another € 50 and to keep an eye on the payment status of € 800.22.

I do not have the best knowledge of the subject of IP addresses, which is why I can only point out that I have been living in my new apartment since the beginning of 2019 and since then only a very limited number of people have access to my protected WLAN. Me, my partner and her sister once, for whom the use of this bonus can be excluded. In my view, it can only be a mistake. Here I really have no choice but to trust the competence of casinoeuro that errors are recognized and profits are not hastily withheld.

I would like to thank you again for your time and hope you can support me in this case, because as a student I lack the options to defend myself accordingly.

I look forward to your reply

Sincerely yours,

Christoph < surname removed >

Disputed Casino CasinoEuro
Amount €750.09

Discussion

User name

Dear all,

As apparent from the submitter's latest post, the AskGamblers Complaint Team is pleased to announce the case has been resolved and closed.

We thank both parties for their assistance during the complaint process.

User name
Hi Christoph,

I am glad to have been of assistance and quickly managed to resolve your Complaint.

I am also confide that you will supply requested documentation which if adequate will surely be approved.

However, I do need to point out that these are still 2 very separate things we are talking about here.

The original complaint was about the withholding of winnings from the account balance due to a breach on our Terms and Conditions, and this as you have confirmed was indeed solved, as your balance was fully reinstated and in fact you have proceeded to withdraw these funds already, and in view of this, I strongly believe that the Complaint is now fully resolved.

As I have clarified, the documentation requested is a completely unrelated verification procedure, which needs to be carried out in any case, and the time frame of this depends heavily on documentation being sent in an acceptable format and also full documentation requested to fully verify the account. Of course, I do confide in your full cooperation and will obviously be monitoring closely the process of your verification and subsequent withdrawal, and do my best to speed this up, but nevertheless, the original complaint regarding funds not being available to you is beyond doubt resolved.

Wishing you a pleasant evening and weekend.

Roger

EuroCasino Customer Support Manager
User name loyalty-level-2
Hi Roger,

Thank you for the quick and positive news. Great that we were able to solve this dispute and you can understand my problem.

I have now submitted all documents so far that nothing should stand in the way of a smooth verification. If all the operations and the requested withdrawal were successful, I'll be happy to mark the problem as solved.

Praise to AskGamlers for this opportunity to resolve the dispute and thank the CasinoEuro management team for your decision. I look forward to giving you a second chance!

Kind regards,

Christoph
User name

Dear @ChrisJ,

The AskGamblers Complaint Team is kindly asking you to update your complaint in a timely manner and confirm if you consider the issue resolved. Please note that, in case you fail to respond within the given timeframe we will consider your case resolved and it will be closed accordingly.

Please keep in mind that as per the AGCCS Terms and Guidelines which you accepted upon registering and using our complaint system, you are obliged to provide the necessary level of assistance and cooperation during the process and providing updates in a timely manner is a must.

Thanks in advance for your cooperation.

CasinoEuro Complaint Stats

Resolved 14 / 14
Avg. Amount $876
Avg. Complaint Duration 8 days
Avg. Response Time 2 days
Casino Don't Pay

I've played a lot at Betsson because it's famous for being a company with tradition in the casino business, I deposited a lot but never tried to withdraw. I migrated to CasinoEuro, which belongs to the Betsson group, trusting in this house tradition. I had gained and decided to withdraw 5000 BRL via PIX (this method is attractive for us Brazilians because it is done quickly, without fees and accepted by any bank) which was the way I made all my deposits in the two gambling casinos, the nightmare. I entered the withdrawal part via PIX and everything was fine, my CPF which is my PIX key, there was only one field to fill in which was the value of the withdrawal amount, I did everything right. I was informed that they were having problems with payments via PIX, so far so good, I was told to try again. After numerous attempts, they removed the withdrawal part via PIX from my account and included the bank transfer, they told me to try via bank transfer, but in the "name of the bank" part, which does not allow filling, there was not mine, making it impossible to withdraw via bank transfer, there are even several numbers there that aren't even a bank, I informed everything. After many e-mails I sent of deposit receipts, print screens, etc., they informed me that they had fixed the PIX (they informed me that they had fixed it several times, the last time it would be enough for me to make the minimum deposit for the PIX that I would be able to withdraw, honestly faith I did what was asked. Soon they informed me that I filled out the PIX request wrong, and it has no place to fill it in on the website, anyone who says they are able to pay by this method certainly knows that payment via PIX only needs the PIX key that was correctly there (< key removed >), putting this number in the PIX automatically directs it to my account. In short, there were a lot of e-mails explaining and they always going back one step from what had been talked about. This withdrawal is still lower than so much so that I deposited there, the deposits always went to their account without problems. I am very disappointed with the Betsson group, be careful. I want to get my money.


*I'm sorry for my English, I used google translate.

Status solved Resolved
R$5,000
Can't withdraw on my VISA or Bank

Hi Askgamblers team,

I was hoping you can help me with my issue.

First I registered at Casinoeuro.com using my Virtual Visa card. I then decided to withdraw after playing in the casino and my withdrawals are all declined. So I ask help from Casinoeuro to check what's going on. Later on I found out that my Visa card is not accepting withdrawals as it's an e-wallet and doesn't have a bank statement. Then they asked me to submit to verify my account and submit bank statement, address, phone number, which I did and it's now verified ( see attached screenshot ). Casinoeuro advised me to re-request withdrawal to my bank which is impossible as explained above it's an e-wallet and not tied up to a bank. ( See screenshot ) email from Casinoeuro. Below is their next email after I mentioned that I still cannot withdraw.

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I then sent the requested information. See attached bank statement. I still cannot withdraw.

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Customer Service30/09/2021 08.30 AM

< content removed >

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The < content removed > is my account number that is linked to a Visa card however. There's no other options for me to withdraw in my gaming account but to use SKRILL. There's no option for me to add my Visa card which is linked to my < content removed >. See attached.

Casinoeuro then added an option for me to add my bank but not the VISA that is linked to my bank. But unfortunately my country is not listed and we don't use IBAN but we only use SWIFT Code. ( See attached ).

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< content removed >

Casinoeuro sent me an email:

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Customer Service 30/09/2021 04.06 PM

< content removed >

I complied to the above and sent all information required. See attached and ask to withdraw 950 EUR and see how we go. ( See attached email that I sent to them )

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Then I received this email:

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I hope you can help me with my withdrawal as I have been playing and depositing to Casinoeuro but unable to withdraw my fair winnings. I would also like to request to add an option in my gaming account to add my Visa card which is linked to my bank account so that I won't have this issues again in the future.

Hope your team can help me expedite my withdrawals.

Thank you in advance,

< initials removed >

Status rejected Rejected
€5,442
Impossible to withdraw my funds of €1,688.05

Good morning.

I had earlier reached you in this regard that I have been experiencing issues with Casinoeuro.com.

I have a sum of money stuck on this site (namely €1688.05) and it seems impossible to cope with KYCs and the obstacles they make out on the spot and finally cash the funds out.

I used my Monese GBP card to make a deposit in euros as the site allowed me to and now I can't withdraw using the same method as they require the details my bank does not provide for the GBP accounts (they need IBAN and BIC and I only have a sort code and account number). I have provided them with my bank statement showing the bank details and the transaction (deposit).

After that I tried to withdraw to my Monese EUR account using its IBAN details but failed to do so as there was no Belgium in the list of countries at withdrawal page (my bank is Belgian).

The next step was a try to deposit via Skrill, wager the deposit, and withdraw back. However, they only allowed to cash out €20 using this method and use the GBP card I deposited with for the rest (as I have stated above, it's is impossible).

Then they added Belgium to my casino account withdrawal page and I tried to withdraw to my Monese EUR bank account again but the withdrawal was declined and they requested the statement showing the deposit from this bank account (which is impossible as the deposit was made with my GBP card and I had sent my GBP bank statement showing this transaction).

I have reached their live support for loads of times explaining my situation and asking to allow to withdraw all funds to Skrill but they just redirected me to email, didn't text me back, and pretended not to receive my emails with the proofs.

In general, it looks like Casinoeuro.com are not going to pay back the money to their customer who had trusted them, deposited on their site and won. Therefore, I would like to draw your attention to this casino and I really hope for your support.

I am also attaching the screenshots you had requested before to this email in respect of this matter.

Thank you in advance!

Regards,

Nicola <personal data removed>

Status solved Resolved
€1,688
Casino Euro - Confiscating 100,000 SEK jackpot due to max bet violation, refusing to provide any proof
Hello!

I played at https://www.casinoeuro.com for a few days a few weeks ago. I played on many slotmachines but Jackpot Jester Wild Nudge stands out because I won the jackpot worth 100000SEK (~ 10000EUR).
After that I continued to play a little bit, because I had a bonus balance that had to be wagered 40 times. When I was done with that I finally made a withdrawal of 91000SEK.

After a few days had passed without the money reaching my personal account I contacted the company's support via an email. I asked what was happening with my withdrawal and I also expressed my joy for winning the big jackpot. I also told them that I had lost a lot lately and that I have some difficulties with the gambling.

They replied that they were carrying out some security checks and that it would take longer then usual. They also announced that they had frozen my account because I expressed concern about my gambling in my mail to them.
A few days later, I get an email from a diffrent email address ([email protected]). In that mail they told me that I had violated a bonus rule. The rule reads:

"The maximum bet allowed for an active bonus is €6 (60SEK) per game round or 50 eurocents per row."

And as a result, all my winnings had been removed and my account is frozen.

I could not understand what they meant. I was fully aware of the rules for bonus money and I also have the habit of beting around ~25SEK on slot machines. I am 100% sure that I never bet more then 60SEK on any machine.
And since then I have tried to find answers. I have sent email after email requesting, even begging for details about this.

On what machine do they say this happened?
How much do they claim I had bet?
Is there any special cases where the bet is made in an unusual way, maybe not directly from the account balance?
Is this about "Jackpot Jester Wild Nudge", where I won the jackpot? (When you win on this slot the winnings are not transferred to your balace, instead you can use it on a special bonus wheel. And on that wheel you can not decide how much to bet. If this special case count as betting as usual I am not sure if more then 60SEK was ever used. If that is the case they will not tell me anyway.)

It is also stated in the rules that:
"Real money will be deducted before Bonus money when you play in the casino."
I therefore also asked what rules apply in my case, because my balance was never lower than my real money.

And many other questions...

They have not answered a single question or given me any information at all. The only thing they said is that they have made that decision. And now they no longer answer my emails at all. I have never been treated this badly by any customer service anywhere.

I must have the right to know why I am denied my winnings, especially when it comes to such a large sum, am I not?


So I have lost almost 100000SEK and do not have the brightest idea why or what I've done wrong.
And my account at https://www.casinoeuro.com has been locked so I can not log in and try to find out what this is all about myself.


I apologize so much for writing so much. The matter here has been very stressful and I do not understand anything.

And as you probably understand, English is not my main language, so if I need to clarify something, please feel free to send me an email.

Thank you so much for your help!
Status rejected Rejected
kr91,000
Casino Euro - Disconnected in the middle of a game with 4 extended wilds during free spins on Jack And The Beanstalk slot
At 23 september I got a technical error wile playing jack and the beanstalk during my game with a 2 euro turn i got 4 extented wilds in the combination at my sreecn it would be almost 16000 euro... with still freespins to go.
But suddenly the game was not availeble. 3 times when i logged back in i still got had the wilds on my srceen but the game trows me out again and told me game not availble. after the 13 time i logged back in the 4 extenden was gone and i just had 3 extended wilds with a end result of 1400 or so.. That night i couldnt sleep and did not know what to do because i know most times its a waist of time. But next day i called them and it looked like they were willing to help and told me they would send it to netent this tooks 2 weeks with a and result of saing there wasnt any problem and i just had 3 extented wilds. Although they were very helpfull and friendly. They also gave me a 25 euro bonus for the long time it took.. Not very much consider the deposits i make there
But i cant understand why this happend. After playing for ten years at other casinos as well
I know very well when there is a isseu the game saves when there is a software problem and not that there wilds dissapeare. In the last email the lady sends me a little file with the total of that round. Now my question is is this legal and allowed to happen? And is it possible wile your computer is up to date to have a diffrent screen thant the turnout wile loged out. This is bothering me for a month and dont know where to turn to with this issue. Sorry for my english im dutch. Please help me out with this problem. I aslo have the emails from them 2 weeks wile they claimed that they investigated it.
Status solved Resolved
€1,222
Casino Euro - Missing and Misleading Terms and Conditions
I found my account sitting at €10 instead of €1418 than it was the day before. I had deposited €500, received a €500 welcome bonus and had won €418. Upon asking Casino Euro where the money went, they told me that my wager period had run out. I questioned why they had taken the €500 deposit, as in their Term and Conditions it states that if the wager period runs out, the bonus and winnings are considered “bonus” but not the deposit money itself "You must wager a total of 35 times the sum of your deposit and bonus before you can withdraw your bonus and any accrued winnings”. I questioned them as to why the deposit money wasn’t there, to which they said that it was part of the bonus money because I had spent it. I asked them at which point did I spend the deposit money as I was at €1418 in credit, they did not answer that but said they would give me 10 more days to meet the wager. I checked their terms and conditions as to when you “lose” your deposit and all it says is that if your account gets to less than €1 then you will forfeit your deposit; my account never did get below €1. The 24/7 Live chat isn’t always working, and when I did speak to them about the issues they forwarded me onto support who would email me, often “support” don’t email or don’t respond to any questions. When I realised that I wasn’t getting anywhere with them I decided to just bet until I met the wager. I noticed that although I had done a lot of betting (on slots and live roulette) that it still said that I was 0% towards meeting the wager. I asked them why this was and they told me to read the wager distribution percentages. I did and it said that 100% of my slot bets and 20% of my Live Roulette bets should contribute to the wager. After reading this, I asked them again why I was at 0% and exactly how much more money I needed to meet the wager. They replied saying to me that I now have to meet a 40 times wager (it was originally 35) on the €1418 deposit money (not the original €500 bonus money). My account is currently sitting at €1543.23 and my extended wager period is meant to run out next week Monday (21/09/2015). I suspect I won’t get any answers from them until they’ve taken all the money including my deposit on Monday. In summary, my problem is: 1) Why did I lose my deposit if it says “The Welcome Bonus will expire after 30 days of having been credited if wagering requirements have not been met.”? Emphasis on Bonus not Deposit. 2) Nowhere in the bonus Terms and Conditions (that I could find) does it state that you can “spend” your bonus while being over €1 in credit. 3) Where is it stated that if your bonus time is extended that you have to meet a new 40 times wager on all of your previous money? Not the original deposit bonus I’ve looked everywhere on their website and can’t find any answers to this. I have all the email chain documented but can’t upload it as it is in PDF format.
Status solved Resolved
€500