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Will not pay my 9500€


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By darkzim
12 years ago

Im writing this complaint in grief. I have always tought that Microgaming Casinos are the best in the market and I have always trusted them to be honest and straightforward. But now I got my first experience from a Microgaming casino that seems to intentionally provide misleading information and based on that is confiscating winnings.

So in detail what has happend - I saw somewhere a good review about GoWildCasino, so I decided to try them out. At first I contacted Live Chat to get info about terms, bonuses and everything that would be relevant. ´From Live Chat they told that first deposit bonus is 100% of a sum up to 200€. So I deposited 200€ and had 400€ on my account. Still having Live Chat open for information I started playing Mega Moolah Isis with 25 lines 20 per line bet and credit value 0,05€ - I had a good run I won couple of bonus games and got my balance up to around 7000€. I went to check if I have met bonus requirements with my gameplay and for my surprise I had nothing deducted from wagering requirements. So I went to Live Chat (still open) and asked about that - customer service representative told me that Mega games don`t count torward wagering requirements and I should play some other game, that seemed a bit unconvinient as I usually only play Mega Moolah Isis ( I can prove this by showing my statements from dash, redbet, nedplay, 32red etc.) and with the same bet. So I asked from the rep what she would suggest and she told me that she liked a game called "Riviera Riches". So I started playing it and met my wagering requirements - after that I withdrew some of my winnings and left some for a lucky chance and at the end won a total of 9500€.

After that I was impatiently waiting for my winnings - from Live Chat I got the info that I have to send my credit card, document and bill info by email (standard process usually) - so I did it and waited. After 24 hours I got a bit curios why a casino who advertises fast payouts takes so much for a withdraw to Skrill or VISA and I asked trough Live Chat what was taking so much time, they replied that I have to mail their finance department to find out. So after sending them a reply and getting a anserw that they are still verifying everything I finally got a letter from them:

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Hello Danel,

We would like to inform you that we have denied your withdrawal request.

During your game-play, you have played restricted games while having bonus funds you've received as a part of our welcome package. According to our Bonus Terms & Conditions all progressive games are restricted and must not be played with the bonus money.

You were also informed about this via live chat.

Please note that the initial deposit and bonus have been returned to your casino account. If you wish to play without a bonus please contact us and we will remove it. Should you choose to play with a bonus please contact us after reading the bonus rules found here: http:/­/ww­w.g­owi­ldc­asi­no.c­om­/bo­nus­-te­rms.html

In case you have any further questions or concerns, do not hesitate to contact us.

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As I OF COURSE had some concerns as why they have from my point of view STOLEN my 9500€ I wrote to them couple of letters, then I ssaw one complaint in here and sent a letter to radub@­gow­ild­gam­ing.com - who seems to be a contact person in here. I have not got any response from him either.

For me there are couple of main reasons and emailed them to GoWildCasino too - I will copy my letter here:

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Hy,

you can not imagine how dissapointed I am at the moment. I will try to make my

case without getting too emotional. Winning 9500 € is a great thing for me and I hope that you can imagine how your letter is like throwing me off the rooftop. I feel that I have been misled by Live Chat and other small issues, please consider my points:

1. Firstly I chose gowildcasino (GWC) because it was rated positively about withdraw times and customer service quality, but after your email I did some reasearch and saw that this is how things were at the past - lately there have been at least handful of issues like mine at the moment. This is bit off topic, but I write this to give you feedback about why players like me come to try out GWC.

2. Fact that you refer to my Live Chat sessions is good, because I engadged in these just to confirm that I am doing everything right. If you will take out my chat history then you will see that I tried to get all the info possible about GWC, bonuses and anything what would affect me. I was not informed about playing Mega games voiding any chance for withdrawal - when I went back to live chat to ask why my play did not count torward my wagering requirements Live Chat support personell suggested me to play another game to meet the requirements. I asked what game she would recommend and she recommended me a game. So when she was informed about me playing Mega game and still suggested to play another game to meet wagering requirements I will consider this as a approval. Otherwise she could have pointed out that I have voided my credits.

3. Being a player at several Microgaming sites including, but not limited to 32Red and Dash Casino I have never seen this kind of behaviour from Microgaming Casinos (MGC) - it seems like these games are not blocked out for the exact situations like mine. Player knows MGC system - is used to rules and regulation most of MGC use and starts to play without going line after line trough T&C. I know that there are possibilities to limit play with bonus in casino software so it is intentional in my honest opinion.

4. As I deposited 200 € and received 200 € in bonuses and had 400 € in my account - the whole sum is non withdrawable until playtrough requirement is met. So by that standard it seems that at first I play with my own money and then with bonus money, as I never dropped below 200 € I did not used bonus money at all. If it would be othervise then there should be an option to withdraw 200 € and voiding bonus cash, but there are no so option at GWC as it is in some MGC.

To take it all together I must say that I hope that you can find a way to reopen my case and make things right - when you would go over my Live Chat sessions and game history you will understand that it was a misunderstanding coming from misleading info from Live Chat and me not going over T&C line by line. It is not a small sum for me and I would really appreciate if you could make things right without big fuzz. If not then I have to see what are my options to sort out our misunderstanding.

Hoping for positive resolution,

Danel XXXXXX

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I hope that this site can help me.

Sincerely,

Danel

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AskGamblers Complaints Team has been provided with enough information on behalf GoWild Casino management in regards of this complaint to confirm and justify the casino actions.

Based on the above, AskGamblers Complaints Team consider this case as Resolved and it is now officially closed. In case of a disagreement with our decision we remind player that further assistance on this matter could be requested from the relevant regulatory body.

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As sweet as your letter is - you have stolen trough scammish actions 9500 € from me.

If not then I would have not been able to win these credits.

Offering me bonus again is like spitting in the face of your players - we got you fooled once, come again and we will s***w you again. I wont ask for anything more than anserw to these four questions again:

1. Will you (GoCasino) consider taking a look at my complaint and if not will you confirm that your in-house complaint processing system is exhausted (I am not asking if you believe anything - I am asking that if you have finance department what declines peoples winning you should have complaint department and you could respect your players as much as to give a real explanation) ?

2. To you admit that rule 1.4 on Bonus T&C "1.4. If the player plays any non-permitted games before meeting the playthrough requirements, the player agrees that the Casino holds the right to void any winnings at our discretion." - is biased torward policy - confiscating winnings from winners and letting loser lose (making rules what are unfair is bad practice - you could make a rule that any gameplay at GoWild Casino ends with people getting their money confiscated by GoWild Scam. T&C are understandable as long as they are fair and not biased for one side, laws are superior to T&C - there is a small thing called profiteering and it seems it is what you are doing trough this scam)?

3. You will not pay my winnings out based on the rule 1.4 on Bonus T&C and you will not consider taking second look at my case?

4. Why GoWild Casino inforces policy in MicroGaming Casino that others operators of the same software do not?

If there are any others with the same problem as I do then please write to this email gowild.sc­am@­gma­il.com. But I am still waiting for a anserw for my questions.

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Hi Danel,

We truly believe we have provided sufficient information and responded all your arguments. Each Casino has its own promotions and own rules, obviously the bonus policy or terms can very much differ from one operator to another. The bonus rules and all the info regarding the bonus policy are very straight forward and available on our sites. We do understand your hard feelings, but unfortunately these are the rules set by the casino management and for the sake of fairness we must all comply. You are welcomed, should you choose, to receive back your deposit bonus and give it another shot with allowed games, we would be happy to recommend which games would be ideal to meet the bonus requirements easy.

Best Regards,

GoWild Casino.

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As I get no explanation from GoWild Casino for my email and my arguments I would like to get these 4 questions anserwed:

1. Will you (GoCasino) consider taking a look at my complaint and if not will you confirm that your in-house complaint processing system is exhausted?

2. To you admit that rule 1.4 on Bonus T&C "1.4. If the player plays any non-permitted games before meeting the playthrough requirements, the player agrees that the Casino holds the right to void any winnings at our discretion." - is biased torward policy - confiscating winnings from winners and letting loser lose?

3. You will not pay my winnings out based on the rule 1.4 on Bonus T&C and you will not consider taking second look at my case?

4. Why GoWild Casino inforces policy in MicroGaming Casino that others operators of the same software do not?

Hoping for a solution,

Danel

GoWild Casino Complaint Stats

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Avg. Amount $2,101
Avg. Complaint Duration 13 days
Avg. Response Time 2 days

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Not paying out my withdrawal of €1,900
I registered on GoWild casino and took the welcome bonus, I played the famous normal twin spin that is not against the rules with a 5€ bet and alot of money. Then I kept playing it for a while and saw that it wasn't that good to me anymore, so I changed the game to guns n 'roses and lowered my bet to 3€ and started to climb even more in my balance until the wager amount was finished.

When I had finish my wager, I made a withdrawal. They started instantly to ask for verifications for BANK, passport, residental adress etc. I sent it all and it took several days to get my account verified.

I went to the customer service about 3 times before my withdrawal, and they all told me that I was good to go to make a withdrawal and all my documents were approved by the payment financial department.

Then I go and make my 1900€ withdrawal and now they refuse to pay it (after they have verified my account) and this was the reason:

"Hello Juuso,
We have received your withdrawal request; however, it has been denied by our Audit Team.
Please be advised that during the verification of your withdrawal they have noticed that our Bonus Terms and Conditions were breached.
Please be reminded that: “In order to avoid bonus abuse by building balance while playing with pending Playthrough Requirements (wagering requirements) on 0% contribution games, all players should avoid playing 0% contribution games while having an active bonus. If players fail to comply with these terms, we reserve the right to void any winnings generated, should you play on any 0% contribution games before fulfilling the Playthrough Requirements (wagering requirements).”
According to our Terms and Conditions your winnings have been voided and your deposit that generated the aforementioned win has been returned to your balance.
Please find time to also visit our Bonus and General Terms & Conditions to avoid any inconvenience in the future."

After this e-mail I contacted the customer support again and they told me that Reactoonz contributation was 0% but that doesn't say that you are not allowed to play it.. I started my deposit with 15 spins of reactoonz and had 0 winnings on it and then switched to Twin Spin. There say's nothing in their bonus terms that you are not allowed to played Reactoonz while you have bonus money.

This is just completly bullshit.
Status solved Resolved
Withdrawal of $1,000 denied unjustly

Hi,

I have been playing at GW casino for ages now as it’s one of the better ones allowed in my country. I have played at other casinos and withdrawn money and verified my account without issue and in a timely manner.

I won $1000 recently at GW and requested a withdrawal, they asked me to email/upload my identification which I did, three emails I sent and uploaded to their website which for a decent online casino I would’ve of expected a better software.

I understood that verification can be upto 48 hours and waited, I spoke with their 24/7 live chat and many times was told different things by the operators the main one was “this isn’t something I have access or can find out for you, please email the payments team” or generic replies. Once I was told that it was because they run in GMT time I said “that’s fine but 48 hours is still 48 hours everywhere”.

I spoke to an operator just on the 48 hour mark i spoke to another operator who said that another photo of my bank card ending in 5865 was needed as the others were blurry I checked the photos I submitted and they were clear to me but I re-took the photos and sent them through.

Around the 65 hour mark I spoke to another operator to be told that this is “our of their hands again”

So I wake up this morning around 72 hours later to receive the expected, “your withdrawal has been returned to your casino account due to incomplete information provided”.

And guess what they want a photo of a bank card to a bank account I no longer use with a bank that I stopped banking with last year.

So of course I go on live chat to find out why this is needed as it’s not the card a I used for any deposit this year. To be met with responses such as “that information is not stated” and “I cannot give you any information regarding why this is needed”

They’ve asked me to email payments this information and guess what? The payments team works Monday-Friday only in buisness hours so I will not get any response for 48 business hours. It being Saturday in my country this was great news.

I stated I do not have the card anymore. To be told I need to provide bank statements from July to October last year for this card.

I asked what transactions they were looking for as I don’t think it’s any of their business what else I spend my money on.

Only to be told once again that they “do not have that information in their department”

So no I have to either send through my personal information from an old bank account and wait a ridiculous amount of time to head back from payments who only work business hours for an online casino that operates 24/7!!

I asked to speak to a manager and of course she’s in a business meeting at 7:14pm on a Friday GMT time.

But she “left a note on her desk, to contact me back”

I find this absolutely ridiculous and would really like some help. I’ve screen shot every conversation.

But I feel like this will be a long and painful process. Please avoid this casino.

Status rejected Rejected
$1,000
Unfairly Denied Winnings

On the 2nd November I deposited $80 into my online account and played several games from about 9pm to 2am.

I won an amount of $5,000 and withdrew $4,500 but then I played a further $1,000 and withdrew $3,500 which was to be transferred via bank transfer and I had provided a copy of my bank statement assuming that I would be paid out what I had won.

My winnings were accumulated over the period of several hours and I received those winnings off the back of playing several different games including jackpot games, betting up to $12.50 per bet at times and the credits increased dramatically awarding me $5,000 in total which I withdrew $3,500 after playing back $1,500 on the same night.

I requested a withdrawal of $3,500 and provided my bank statement then emailed GW Casino asking roughly how long the bank transfer is likely to take.

After I had requested a withdrawal, I emailed GW Casino asking how I redeem my bonus and free spins that they emailed me I had access to.

I then received a response from GW Casino advising me that the auditors have checked my history and it would seem that I have in fact breached their bonus terms and conditions. They had the right to withhold my winnings but as a gesture of goodwill they would credit my online account with $80 which i originally deposited plus $20 which needed to be wagered 30 times in order to cash in my winnings.

I emailed GW Casino back and asked them if they were going to give me my $3,500 winnings and explained that my winnings were not won on a bonus or through free spins, they were won over the period of several hours.

I checked my account and it had been closed.

I then emailed GW Casino asking for clarification as to why my account was closed and told them how dissapointed I was that this has happened. I received no response. I tried logging into my account and realised that they reopened my account and I continue to receive emails that I have free spins in my account.

They want me to spend more money but they won't pay me what I won fairly.

I have been a member of the GW Casino for a number of years and in March this year, won $10,000 which I provided my bank details for and was paid this amount without issue.

I really hope this is resolved because I have spent in excess of $10,000 on this site.

I have screen shot all my evidence including the emails I sent back and forth to them which I will email to the email you have provided to me as I can't attach it to this complaint.

Thanks in advance.

Donna < surname removed >

Status rejected Rejected
$3,500