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Refusal of refund after account blocked for self exclusion from another site operated by Cassava


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By Cjxwax
9 years ago
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On 1st March 2017, I joined Foxy Casino and deposited a total of £420. Upon viewing internet banking transactions the following day, I noticed the deposits made on Foxy Casino website had been debited from my account in the name of Cassava enterprises. On seeing Cassava Enterprises transactions, to my horror I realised Foxy Casino must be a Cassava ran website. I was horrified as I currently have a self exclusion in place with Moon Bingo (also operated by Cassava), the internet banking transactions alerted me to this fact when I seen the transactions were from Cassava.

On noticing this, I immediately contacted Foxy Customer Services and alerted them to the fact I currently have a self exclusion in place with Moon Bingo.

I was astonished at the fact I had been allowed to open the account with the self exclusion from Moon in place. When opening the account with Foxy there was nothing to alert me to the fact that it was a Cassava ran company otherwise, I would never have signed up knowing I had a self exclusion in place with them. I also did the honest thing upon discovering this I alerted them myself and they then took the decision to block my Foxy account.

On 3 March 2017, I emailed Foxy requesting a refund of the deposits as I feel they have not fulfilled there duty of care in respect of responsible gambling due to there inability/inadequate checks for self exclusion. I should not have been able to open the account while excluded from Moon.

Please note, I do not have a copy of the self exclusion agreement from Moon, I have requested this however they provided this as yet. Please however see the attached emails from Cassava security department, they confirm I currently have a self exclusion in place.

When contacting Cassava security team to resolve this I seem to be given completely contradicting information (please see attachments). On the occasions I do receive responses, they never answer the questions asked.

I would really appreciate some help in resolving this matter.
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Disputed Casino Foxy Casino
Amount £420

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Based on submitter's last post AskGamblers Complaints Team consider this case as Resolved and it is officially closed now. Thank you all for your cooperation.

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My apologies for not updating sooner however I can confirm yes the refund was received on Thursday. Thank you.
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Hello,

The payment should now be with you, please could you confirm that it has reached your account?

The Foxy Casino Team
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This complaint has been reopened as per Foxy Casino request and AskGamblers Complaints Team would like to give it one more try and help both parties involved into the dispute reaching to a satisfactory resolution.

Foxy Casino Complaint Stats

Resolved 6 / 8
Avg. Amount $2,449
Avg. Complaint Duration 9 days
Avg. Response Time 3 days
Foxy playing games

Deposited £10 in there bet £10 get a £40 casino offer, played through the 40x wagering or whatever it was, and won a nice amount of £1809 I tried to withdraw £250 and I got an email to say it had been processed. I was going to play more that night so went to log in.

My account has encountered a problem please contact customer service.

Upon contact, I was told that I would need a selfie ID to release my funds.

No problem. Sent that in and waited for my £250. I Got told that unfortunately my account has been closed due to an irreversible business decision. I was told at various times that the reason is I was 'over refunded' with??

I learned since that foxy games is also under the same group of companies such as gala bingo, gala casino, gala spins, Ladbrokes, coral, foxy bingo, and a couple of others.

I had an account with Gala casino that actually paid me a withdrawal without the fuss of identity verification and so I see no reason for them to need my selfie ID to pay my winnings.

This was clearly just a ploy. They had no intention of paying for my big win at all. The risk operations team see that I won big and it's seemingly their job to not pay large amounts from small deposits.

Over Christmas, I recontacted because I'm not going to give up on an amount like that to be told the same thing. Send in a selfie id and I would be paid. I then asked for a manual withdrawal of my £1809 balance. Customer service said they would request that and to look for an email confirmation.

Later in the morning, I got a withdrawal receipt for £10 which was my initial deposit. They basically said they are keeping the rest saying I've breached their rules??? What breach? Winning?

No clear reasons as to why they are keeping my funds but I will fight them every day until I'm paid what I'm owed. They cannot be allowed to get away with this.

I've not received any money. At all.

Status unsolved Unresolved
£1,809
No response to verification
Hey! I would like to raise an issue I am currently experiencing. I played Live Roulette via Foxy Casino last month in which I deposited £500 to play with. I eventually decided to with draw my winnings... just over £900. On the 31st May, I received an email from [email protected] requesting documents to be send for verification. I send over the the requested ID docs on the same day. No reply! Since then... I have responded to Cassava with a further 6 emails. Again, no response!?? After doing a little research online with regards to Cassava, I grew more concerned due to customer issues with this organisation and lack of regard towards their customers. I still haven't received any reply from [email protected]. So, I decided to contact Foxy Casino via Live Chat... the first advisor told me to be patient due to Cassava's high volumes of workload. Okay... I gave it 2 days and and still, no reply! After losing my patience, I decided to contact Foxy again via Live Chat and requested that the matter should be escalated to management. I was advised that my matter would be noted to management yet, I would not be provided with a time frame for response. AGAIN... more waiting but not response. So, I then decided to email a complaint to [email protected]. I received a response from Boris (the same advisor I spoke with via Live Chat) who basically provided the following response: Dear Roy, Thank you for contacting Customer Service. This has already been escalated. Please allow some more time. There is nothing we can do at Customer Support to speed up the process as our Security team handles these cases and they are experiencing a very heavy workload. I advised you that I don't want to provide a false timeframe as to not misinform you. I'm sorry if that answer did not satisfy you, but we strive not to misinform the players. In case you have further questions, we will be more than happy to assist you. We are available by e-mail, chat and phone. Thank you for choosing us as your online gaming site. Best regards, Boris Customer Service Gamble Responsibly The level of customer service I have experienced has been non existent... also, the £500 stake has already left my bank account. I am at a stage now where I am tired of waiting. Its 9th June... I send the requested ID docs for verification on the 31st May, surely it doesn't take this long to verify some documents? Any help would be much appreciated as this matter has gone beyond a joke. Many thanks Roy
Status solved Resolved
£900
Self exclusion not honored
I have a gambling addiction and I am not proud of this but do try my best and self exclude to assist me in keeping my addiction under control. I have self excluded from 888.com but was still able to open an account with foxy and spent €5000. If I had of won, clearly I did not, I would been unable to withdraw any winnings as this would be against the terms and conditions. So in theory I have just given the casino €5000. Their response to me was the following " Subject Your Account Discussion Thread Response Via Email 20/12/2015 02.55 PM Dear Ian, This is the Casino Security Team, we are contacting you in regards to your Foxy Casino account with username "sallydog124". Thank you for contacting us. Ian in regards to your query; please be advised that upon your request to have you account disabled you were advised to refrain from opening further accounts with our company. As such, if you were previously advised to refrain from registering further accounts with our company and you refuse to adhere to the statement, we cannot be held responsible. As a responsible company we were able to detect the accounts which you had recently registered, and made the necessary adjustments to the accounts which caused you not to be able to access these account anymore. Please understand that we cannot stop you opening accounts on our site, as it is freedom of choice. Our site exists on the Internet and we cannot restrict your access to this medium. The only person who can stop opening accounts on our sites is you. Therefore, we cannot be held accountable for your actions as we have played our part with restricting your accounts once they have been detected, but also we need your co-operation to contain yourself from not registering anymore accounts with us. With regards to your request for a refund of your deposit, please note that your deposit was wagered, played with, and subsequently depleted through the course of your gameplay, resulting in a negligible balance. You have received value for your deposit by way of online entertainment and essentially all funds have been exhausted. You might be able to appreciate that we cannot refund money which you have already exhausted/spent through your gameplay. As such your account has been permanently blocked and no further transaction will be done on the said account. As a gentle remainder you are once again asked to refrain from opening anymore accounts one with gaming site operated by any entity within the 888 Group (specifically including Cassava Enterprises (Gibraltar) Ltd and 888 UK Limited). Kind Regards, Casino Security Team [email protected]" The casino had no controls in place and accept no responsibility for not blocking my account. They DID not detect that I was self excluded until I brought it to their attention. The casino will not reply to my emails. I am addicted and with an addiction logic goes out of the window and as such I gave them €5000 as I would never have been allowed to withdraw if I had won Any assistance appreciated, I am at at loss, not just financially and literally at the end of my tether. Regards Ian [---001:001811:59436---]
Status solved Resolved
€5,000