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5 years ago
Dear sir/madam,

It has been a while but this issue remains relevant to me. I will outline the events as the occured.

On the 6th of april I played at Machance and gained some money. I got scared and asked the casino on multiple occasions to close my account, because I know I couldn't handle myself. I contacted the support team on several occasions. The thing that is still bothering me is that they give contradicting answers and do not do anything to protect people with a gambling addiction.

In my first try to attempt losing all my money I send them an email (as I was instructed) to limit my loss to €100 weekly. I never got a reply. Later on i won even more money. It is really hard to to the math but it was at least €1500. On several occasions I asked them to freeze my account. In the first time I did it by email and asked them to impose a loss limit of €100, weekly (screenshot 1). Later on I won even more and asked them to freeze my account. The first occassion was at 22:22. They told me then that they where not able to freeze my account because I wouldn't be able to cash out (screenshot 2). This is nowhere in the T&C. I contacted them later on and asked them to please close my account. They told me they could only do so in the case of Gambling Addiction (screenshot 3). Later on I contacted them again and asked them to close my account because I had a Gambling Addiction. They told me they could do so only when I would make a formal request by email (screenshot 4+5). Screenshot 6 proves that there was still money in my account at the time I talked to them at that time.

I add the following. This is what the T&C regarding responsible gambling states:

Playing Limits
Gambling should be fun and entertaining, but it should also be approached with responsibility and limits. At MaChance we want your playing experience to always be positive, and we therefore encourage you to keep it under control by using the following limitation options:

Deposit Limit: We give you the option to limit your deposit in a time frame of a day/week/month. Please contact us and we will put in the limit you request.
Freeze Account: If you want a break from playing, you can put your account on hold whenever you like. Contact us and we will freeze your account for you.

As of yet I can still login into my account and play (screenshot 7). I also receive their promotions (Screenshot 8). Personally I can't see why there is any reason to assume this casino is taking its responible gambling policy serious. I would like to be compensated for the losses I had at the moment that I requested to freeze my account at the time I told them I had a gambling addiction. This is not a matter of time delay, they simply refused to close my account.

Best Regards,

Maarten
Disputed Casino MaChance Casino
Reason Other

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User name

Dear all,

Following a careful review and consideration of all the information, details and/or proof presented by the parties during the complaint process, the AskGamblers Complaint Team reached the conclusion that MaChance Casino management acted in accordance with their Terms and Conditions. Moreover, the player has been duly informed by the casino agents about the procedures, which was acknowledged by the player.

In addition, the AskGamblers Complaint Team maintains zero tolerance towards players trying to abuse our complaint service and not using it in a good faith. Therefore, we made the decision to reject this complaint and to impose a permanent ban on the player to use our services from now on.

User name

Dear MaChance Casino,

AskGamblers Complaint Team is kindly asking you to provide us with full copies of the chats and emails exchanged with the player, referring to the issue. Please send required information to suppor­t@a­skg­amb­ler­s.com directly.

Please note that according to the AGCCS Terms, we consider all the information presented during the course of our complaint process confidential and as such it will not be shared with third parties.

Please be in aware that in case you fail to respond and/or provide requested information within the given timeframe, the complaint will be closed as unresolved.

Thanks in advance for your cooperation.

User name
Dear team,

I will respond briefly. I try to be polite so I will answer as follows:

To point 1: I did not and there is no indication what so ever that I agreed. I add that the condition of not having a positive balance or a pending withdrawal is not a rule. It's something they made up and is not mentioned in their T&C.
To point 2: it has never been the idea to avoid procedures. Again this is a frame of Machance.
To point 3: Simply not true and the evidence is there.

To the team could you please mark the screenshots posted by machance as private?
User name
Dear Askgamblers team

1) When the user was informed that having positive balance is not possible to freeze or close the account he agreed.
2) As you can see in the speech, the idea was, since the beginning, to avoid the procedures and times for the verification of the KYC and the Withdrawal approval.
3) When the user asked for close the account due gambling problems we did it.

So, we cannot see the problem and reason of this discussion if the user was trying, since the beginning, for not comply with the procedures and rules of the casino when some user has a pendant withdrawal.

Best Regards.
Machance Casino.

MaChance Casino Complaint Stats

Resolved 19 / 20
Avg. Amount $3,777
Avg. Complaint Duration 6 days
Avg. Response Time 1 day

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Dropped withdrawal limit
Hello Askgamblers family,
Once again I have to complain about Machance Casino. I have a Gold status in casino and on my way to Platinum (93%) soon.
I made a small deposit and managed to win a decent amount. Then I withdrew 1500 EUR that was approved within 4 days. Got the money and was happy.
Now I see they have lowered the limit to 500 EUR per week. I read T&C and did not see anything written that this can be done with higher VIP statuses. This seems not to be anything at their point of view.
I contacted my VIP manager and she said:
"Unfortunately, I have to confirm that the withdrawal limit was set automatically by the system, based on your activity and especially the amount of withdrawals in relation to your deposits, which results to be a little unbalanced. Once a limit or VIP level was set by the system, we no longer have a manual option to modify it, since it is calculated based on specific parameters. I'm sorry to confirm that you will have to be patient if you wish to withdraw the whole amount. 😕 "
Still got 6k on my account, I have deposited probably more than 50k to the account, to me this excuse is just unacceptable.
Please can Casino rep tell how much I have to deposit or lose, so I can get my winnings in timely matter. Currently it would take at least 12 weeks to get them. In reality even longer as I can only make 1 cashout per week and it counts from the approval not the date it was made. I just want my winnings and that is all.
I can provide all screenshots of account, limit, emails with casino etc.

Regards
Status solved Resolved
€6,000
Balance held hostage, €1,500 weekly limit prolonged

Months ago I have a large win at Machance Casino. I send my documents and pass the verification. After making some withdrawals with success my balance today at the casino is €20,425. I then have to verify my account again because Machance un-verifies the account after some months to ask for new documents. I pass a difficult verification and notice that my withdrawal limits have been changed. They are now €500. They used to be €1,500.

Machance casino can only process one withdrawal in a week. Although what happens is that you ask for a withdrawal and it takes 4-5 working days to be approved. By then you are into the second week and you are then blocked by the cashier for making new requests for 7 days. In my experience you can realistically expect one withdrawal every 2 weeks because of this. So for me to receive the rest of my winnings in withdrawals of €500 it will maybe take nearly 2 years!

I send an email to Machance because I think this must be an error and asking them to increase limits. They reply saying that they will not because I have not deposited in a long time. They say to increase my limits I must make a more active account. As I said to Machance I like their games and their casino. But how can I deposit when even if they do increase back to €1,500 it will still take such a long time to be paid the balance. This is not like a normal casino where if you win they settle with one large withdrawal. Any more money that I deposit or win at the casino will be put on the back of a long queue and I will not get it back for at least months. So why would I want to do this?

Machance have me in a situation where they are holding my balance hostage unless I deposit or gamble. If I do this more money is stuck in the casino unless I lose. Losing is the only transaction that can happen quickly. I did not want to complain because if it was not for this treatment I like the casino. It is a shame that they want to punish winners. I think it is a mistake to have this policy because if I had received my win immediately like with a high quality casino I would have deposited and played by now likely many times. Machance makes no incentive to do this.

Status solved Resolved
€20,425
Casino that threatens to close my account for not paying me my winnings

Hello,

I registered at the casino with my luck during the month of March. During my registration I deposited 6 withdrawals for a total amount of 320€. Following the last deposit, I made a total gain of €28,000 on the FIRE JOKER game.

I then submitted my documents to the casino and waited for their validation. I proceeded to the first withdrawal of 1500€ as indicated in the general conditions of the casino. This was validated within 72 hours as indicated in the conditions of the casino. I made the week following the second withdrawal of €1500, however this was validated within 7 days against 48 hours indicated in the general conditions. During the 3rd withdrawal, I noticed that the casino had lowered my initial withdrawal capacities from €1,500 to €500 without informing me. I immediately contacted the casino's customer service to understand the reason for this drop. The agent told me that this drop was due to too high a withdrawal rate and that the casino had deliberately limited my withdrawal capacities.

I also found that it had not been validated under the conditions indicated for 48 hours but again in 7 days. I contacted customer service again to tell them that by delaying the approvals of my withdrawals, it would no longer allow me to make a total monthly withdrawal of €1000 against €6000 indicated in their general conditions. I decided to discuss this with a manager (Melanie) in order to solve this problem of withdrawal. This one came back to me telling me that the casino felt that I should not withdraw all of my winnings and that they offered to pay me only €2500 and close my account when the amount of my balance was of 22500€.

I refused this proposal indicating that this approach seemed dishonest to me and that I wanted to continue to withdraw all of my earnings. The manager came back to me again to threaten me that if I did not accept this proposal the casino would close my account and I would lose all my winnings.

Could you help me so that the casino can pay me my winnings as indicated in their general conditions, namely €1,500 per week with a maximum monthly amount of €6,000? I obviously took a picture of all of our exchanges in order to justify these exchanges.

I can, if you wish, make them available to you on request.


Thanks for your help

Status solved Resolved
€22,500
Refund needed

Hi,

I started signing up in MaChance Casino and I was new to online casinos at the time. I didn't know about the country restrictions. I am a Vietnamese citizen living in France.

I then immediately verified my documents and they were accepted so I just assumed that I could play on their casino. I, later, had a chat with live support and they said I could play as a Vietnamese living in France. So I trusted them. I started playing and depositing furthermore, and they kept sending emails about promotions and everything, anything to attract you deposit more and more. So I kept depositing and playing...

After a while, I learned that the law in France (or Vietnam for that matter), prohibited online casino, any online casino for that matter. And my documents were clearly French and Vietnamese and they accepted it. I feel like it's just for me to trust them and deposit. Then the chat confirmed that I could play and deposit as well.

I then decided to look at their terms and conditions and it clearly says on there that they are not allowed to accept players from France or Vietnam (as file attached below). I just felt like I was new to online casino, and I've been tricked to deposit and play, and deposit furthermore, then the chat lied to me, told me I could play, and documents not properly checked.

I sent them emails telling them that they weren't allowed to let me play from the beginning and that I was new, but now I know the rules and terms, and the law. They just accept players from forbidden countries for them to deposit, and they would verify yes to everything as long as you keep playing on their casino.

I showed them the terms and conditions and told them that they weren't allowed to take my deposits and wrongfully verified my documents from the beginning. I requested a refund of all my deposits, since this was against the law and they knew it because it's in their terms. To which email, they responded that the conditions is not updated and that France is allowed: again, lying! The law of France doesn't allow online casino! They said they would change their terms soon to allow France. What?

The law is the law, they shouldn't have allowed me to play from the beginning given my address and documents but they still did.

2 people responded to my emails, the first one doesn't seem to know the own terms of the casino and she didn't see the problem, and the second one told me the terms are outdated. That's their problem, not mine! Very unprofessional. I was very disappointed about this whole situation and my experience there, especially about the outlaw and the risk/mistake I made signing up here, on this online casino. Plus, the chats are never helpful...

I'd like to request refund of all my deposits please. They weren't supposed to happen or allowed in the first place. I need my deposits back.

Status solved Resolved