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8 years ago

My affiliate commissions were credited to my account in the amount of 1.99216734 then 20 minutes later I had 1.01475885. There is no transaction history of the missing funds. I received an email from Lee stating that my account was deducted due to a players fraud. He said he credited my account with 5 deposits and then returned 3 to the player and closed his account. I want the rest of my commissions that are due to me. I also want the reports on this player.

8 years ago

Thank you Benz for the opportunity to respond publicly to this complaint.

Let's break it down so that all of your concerns are addressed:

"My affiliate commissions were credited to my account in the amount of 1.99216734 then 20 minutes later I had 1.01475885."

In the instance that a player's NGR must be adjusted manually, so must an affiliate's commission. To ensure complete transparency, it is impossible for us to tamper with data generated by SoftSwiss' affiliate software. Therefor, when an adjustment is made, we keep the affiliate in the loop every step of the way, as reflected by the snapshots of correspondence shown above, sent to you by 4Grinz.

"There is no transaction history of the missing funds."

It should bring you comfort that neither SoftSwiss, nor 4Grinz, can manipulate your affiliate commission data. The above is proof positive that your account is protected and secure, and that only the NGR associated with the double-spend was manually subtracted from your commission balance.

"I received an email from Lee stating that my account was deducted due to a players fraud. He said he credited my account with 5 deposits and then returned 3 to the player and closed his account."

Yes. One of your players committed fraud. To be clear, affiliate commissions are generated through play, not deposits. I believe Lee was referring to the total of confirmed deposits for the month of October, minus withdrawals, minus double-spends (unconfirmed deposits). However, Lee probably didn't mention the sum of deposits totaling an unassociated balance prior to the fraudulent activity. The player's account was deactivated according to our Terms and Conditions. Once all fraudulent wagering was null and void, then adjusted, the remaining balance was refunded to the player. All play associated with legitimate play are reflected in your October commissions. 4Grinz acted fairly in refunding the player his remaining balance, but since the player was no longer allowed access to his account, the refund was performed via Cubits and is viewable here;
https:­//l­ive.bl­ock­cyp­her.co­m/b­tc/­add­res­s/1­8GY­sut­drz­GDG­EEX­tqK­sj9­71m­Exj­dBjD2u/

"I want the rest of my commissions that are due to me."

If a deposit by one of your players does not clear and is declared a double-spend, then all play associated with that deposit is null and void. Naturally, any play determined null and void would result in an adjustment in the player's NGR. An adjustment in the player's NGR would directly correlate with the adjustment in your affiliate commission.

"I also want the reports on this player."

All commissions, data, trackers, and your players are reflected in your affiliate account. Simply click on the "My Affiliate" link viewable in the banner menu upon login. The plethora of data generated by our SoftSwiss affiliate software is quite comprehensive. So, if you need assistance locating specific data within your affiliate account, please visit our Live Chat and a friendly agent will be happy to show you around. For security and privacy reasons, it's best we not share this information publicly.

Summary: The commission affecting your account was falsely generated by a player committing fraud. We take stealing in the form of double-spends seriously. The violating player's account was closed, the balance of non-confirmed deposits were adjusted, and all play associated with those deposits were declared null and void.

Unlike other casino affiliate programs, 4Grinz doesn't impose negative carryovers and our 7% administrative fee is the lowest in the industry. Therefor, your future affiliate commissions will not be affected by the actions of this fraudulent player and we will ensure he no longer has the opportunity to put you, this casino, or its players at risk.

All the best to you Ms Benz, and on behalf of everyone here at 4Grinz, we look forward to friendly and prosperous relations.

Sandy

8 years ago

4Grinz update:

The affiliate was paid and adjusted sum of 1.01475885 BTC on 5 November, 2016. However, this didn't take into consideration the 30% adjusted affiliate commission (according to our structure), player bonuses, and 7% Affiliate Admin fee. The proper calculation to reach the total sum of a commission due to this Affiliate for the month of October is detailed below.

(Player Deposits) - (Player Withdrawals/Refunds) - (Bonuses) - (Provider Fees) = Subtotal of NGR x Affiliate Commission - 7% Affiliate Admin Fee = Total Affiliate Commission due in BTC.

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4Grinz Monthly Affiliate Commission Calculation for Benz - October, 2016

(0.5 + 1.628 + 1.020 + 0.289 + 0.650 + 0.468 + 0.780 + 0.782) - (0.782 + 0.780 + 0.468 + 0.409) - (0.00) - (0.5517) = 3.678 BTC

or

(6.117) - (2.439) - (0) - (0.5517) = Subtotal NGR (3.1183) x 30% = 0.935 BTC

so

Subtotal (0.935) - 7% 4Grinz Affiliate Admin Fee of (0.0656) = 0.8694 Total Affiliate Commission due in BTC.

On 5 November, 2016, the Affiliate received an adjusted payment of 1.014 BTC from Lee for a difference of 0.1446 mBTC in the Affiliate's favor. However, there is no negative carryover here at 4Grinz, and therefor no balance due from the Affiliate.

We consider the matter closed and hope the Affiliate, AskGamblers, and the public are satisfied with the correct adjustments and our detailed response to this complaint. :)

See you at the games!

Sandy

8 years ago

Post 4Grinz Update:

We stand corrected. 4Grinz Affiliate Commissions for earnings over 3BTC is 35%.

So,

3.1183 x 35% = 1.091 BTC - 7% Admin fee and the actual difference is a whopping 0.0003 BTC due to Benz.

Drop by anytime. And, we'll see you at the games!

Sandy

8 years ago

Can you see what I am talking about here's my NGR then bill and last the payment which is my commission and there is not a 15% or 7% deducted after commission bill so apparently those are already deducted. Correct procedure to calculate would be GGR - expenses = NGR.

8 years ago

Dear MsBenz,

When the system configures your NGR and commission due, it deducts all bonuses and fees. When we adjust it manually, we follow the below formula;

(Player Deposits) - (Player Withdrawals/Refunds) - (Bonuses) - (Provider Fees) = Subtotal of NGR x Affiliate Commission - 7% Affiliate Admin Fee = Total Affiliate Commission due in BTC.

The calculations we made are correct. Your player committed fraud. There was zero revenue generated by that player. The casino and the affiliate made no profit. You cannot insist on being paid commissions on revenue that was not generated.

Regards,

Sandy

8 years ago

Adding it up manual or having the system calculate it should have the same results and we are not getting the same figures. if you read your above response stating this On 5 November, 2016, the Affiliate received an adjusted payment of 1.014 BTC from Lee for a difference of 0.1446 mBTC in the Affiliate's favor. Please pay me what I am owed.

8 years ago

Please read carefully the above correspondence, all inquiries have been addressed, all evidence has been submitted.

Cheers

Sandy

8 years ago

It is not correct and this is not getting resolved. Take those 3 deposits off my account and let's see that it adds up. Also total my last months commissions the same way and let's see if it comes out to the same total. I'm not backing down on this. I will take further actions n if I have to. I thought you wanted to resolve this fairly. What day did you suspend my players account? Send me his play report please.

8 years ago

Also how could he double spend? Show me the proof. Player report please.

8 years ago

"Take those 3 deposits off my account and let's see that it adds up."

(Player Deposits) - (Player Withdrawals) = Subtotal of NGR x 35% Affiliate Commission - 7% Affiliate Admin Fee = Total Affiliate Commission due in BTC.

Player Deposits - Withdrawals = 3.678 x 7% Commission = 1.2873
(0.5 + 1.628 + 1.020 + 0.289 + 0.650) - (0.409) = 3.678 x 35% = 1.2873

1.2873 - 7% Admin Fees (.3314) = .9559 Commission Due

That's what happens when we slice it your way.

"I'm not backing down on this. I will take further actions if I have to."

I invite you to review 8.4 of our terms and conditions (https­://­4gr­inz.co­m/t­erm­s-a­nd-­con­dit­ions).

"What day did you suspend my players account?"

The player's account, a player that you referred and from which you earned commissions, was deactivated on October 12th, as stated previously in our response to this complaint.

"Send me his play report please."

No can do. All the information you are entitled to as a 4Grinz Affiliate is viewable from your Affiliate Profile page.

8 years ago

Lee said he would provide me with the players report.

8 years ago

Lee said he would provide me with the players report.

8 years ago

What day did you refund his deposits?

8 years ago

Lee and Sandy

Please look at the following picture. If you add the first two figures 0.4650­000­0+3.33­836­520­=3.8­033652 X 35%1.33117782 owed to me. This is the system figures it already deducted all fees so pay me what you owe.

8 years ago

Dear Ms. Benz,

You are entitled to a percentage of profits generated by your player. Nothing more. We are not obligated to pay you a commission on refunds because you don't approve of them. The decision is final.
You are entitled to 35% of the player's deposits, minus withdrawals, minus refunds and bonuses, minus our modest 7% fee.
Your flawed figures do not take into consideration the refund given to a fraudulent player before his account was closed.

The amount of your commission stands.

Regards,

Sandy

8 years ago

How can my totals be wrong Im getting them from my affiliate page like you said to refer to before. These are the figures in the system and shouldn't be flawed. If he was such a fraud why would you have refunded his money. It doesn't make sense. If you can refund his money you can pay me my commissions. The system is not flawed and if so soft Swiss will have to fix it. I am going to email them and have them check it since you say it is flawed and maybe they can teach you how to refund a player so it reflects on the books and adjusts everything accordingly.

8 years ago

So if his refund was given before his account was closed why doesn't it not reflect on his account? Doesn't add up. I am owed and you have not shown any proof of this players fraud only your word. Pay me my commission.

8 years ago

Ms. Benz,

Please see above explanation. It does not help for us to repeat ourselves. Our decision stands. Please review paragraph 8.4 of our Terms & Conditions. We have exhausted all attempts to mend fences.

Sandy

8 years ago

I know I shouldn't have to repeat myself so many times. You ripped me off as far as I am concerned because you have not showed me any proof to your claims that my player committed fraud. Your word doesn't mean anything when you are not willing to show any proof and it doesn't reflect on my account. How did you make the adjustments without it showing on the accounts. I'm still owed this commission whether your decision still stands. Show me a ledger and my players gaming report. My commission still is owed by what my affiliate profile page shows. That is all the information you said I need to know what I am owed. So pay it.

8 years ago

So if you are not being shady. Why would you deactivate my account?

8 years ago

For your information, the player won 8BTC before it was determined the play was fraudulent. However, the deposits had not cleared, so it was simply a double-spend. Had we not reversed the fraudulent play, you your commission would have been zero. You should be thankful that 4Grinz no longer imposes a negative carryover, or you would have carried forward a negative balance of the full 8BTC.

8 years ago

Ms Benz,

In accordance with paragraph 8.4 of our Terms and Conditions, your account has been deactivated.

We would appreciate AskGambers not allowing a complaint like this to escalate without intervention.

We ask that you close this thread.

8 years ago

It's not resolved. This is a legitimate complaint I have all the proof to back up what my account shows I am owed. You are the ones not providing any proof to refunding my players deposits for fraud.

8 years ago

My flawed figures as you state are the only ones I have on my affiliate account.

8 years ago

Show proof or pay my commission

AskGamblers
8 years ago

Dear @Benz15,

AskGamblers Complaints Team will greatly appreciate if you could limit your responses into a single post rather than leaving multiple, one-sentence posts.

Dear 4grinz Affiliates,

AskGamblers Complaints Team strongly encourage you to provide clear, justified and unambiguous details and proofs that could support your statements referring to committed fraud /double spend/ from the discussed player. Please send the info to suppor­t@a­skg­amb­ler­s.com directly. Please keep in mind that as per AGCCS Terms all the information exchanged between parties and AskGamblers Complaints Team is strictly confidential.

Thank you all for your cooperation.

8 years ago

Are you going to show proof 4grinz

8 years ago

We are waiting for review and response from AskGambers regarding this case, Thank you

8 years ago

Can you send me a copy of what you sent ask gamblers please?

8 years ago

A ruling by AskGamblers and SoftSwiss in favor of the player Magnetic1, the player under this affiliate, deemed the player's full winnings legitimate and not a double spend. This means the affiliate was not entitled to a commission. The affiliate, Benz, is asked to return the full amount of 1.114 BTC to its 4Grinz account. Until the time the funds are returned, the affiliate account is disabled and a negative carryover will be applied.*

Team 4Grinz

*Note: 4Grinz does not penalize its affiliates with negative carryovers. Our affiliate admin fees are the lowest in the industry at 7%. Only in the instance that an affiliate has wrongfully accepted funds of which they were not entitled, is a negative carryover applied.

AskGamblers
8 years ago

Dear @Benz15,

It is now obvious that your case is a direct consequence of this particular complaint where one of your players was accused of being involved into so called 'double-spend' activity with at least one of their Bitcoin transactions:

http:/­/ww­w.a­skg­amb­ler­s.c­om/­cas­ino­-co­mpl­ain­ts/­4gr­inz­-bi­tco­in-­cas­ino­-ig­nor­es-­its­-ow­n-b­itc­oin­-pa­yme­nt-­pro­vid­er-­and­-co­nti­nue­s-t­o-r­efu­se-­to-­pay­-a-­cas­ino­-cl­ien­t-h­is-­6-7­75-­bit­coi­n-w­inn­ing­s-s­inc­e-1­0-1­1-2016

During the course of the investigation conducted by AskGamblers Complaints Team together with representatives of Cubits, Yallet and SoftSwiss it became clear that the aforementioned case was certainly not referring to a 'double-spend' activity and the winnings which player won during their session were derived from a legitimate deposit. As a result, 4grinz casino team agreed to pay the player the wrongfully confiscated amount.

Since it is now obvious player's winning were legitimate, your affiliate commission was of course re-calculated and considering the big amount won from player your monthly affiliate earnings are in the negative and you were not even entitled to your commission totaling 1.01475885 bitcoins. Please confirm you credited back that amount amount so that we could close this complaint accordingly.

Thanks for cooperating the AskGamblers Complaints Team.

8 years ago

Sorry but they closed my account so I can not credit the coins. Also can you look over all the months for my commissions because they like to not pay people what they are owed. By my account report it shows they owe me and that is what they said to go by. Until I see a different report to prove otherwise they still owe me.

AskGamblers
8 years ago

Dear @Benz15,

AskGamblers Complaints Team believe you have been provide with clear, fair and justified explanation of the aforementioned case as well as with our final decision on the matter. Unfortunately, you cannot have it both ways and there are certain terms set in place which cover such situations. Terms which you agreed and accepted upon registering as a member of 4Grinz Affiliate program and terms which you are now obliged to follow.

We consider this case as resolved and it is being officially closed now.