Big Time Gaming and Bonanza

[Flatzem]

donated to netent's starburst, it was dead, and then gonzo's quest (one feature paid 10x) and twin spin.

giving dazzle me a go but the diamond wild reels are only coming in singles or at most doubles. one feature so far paid 35x.

strange that the beams have been singles and only one or two doubles....... previous sessions on this I was getting triples..... anyway triggered another feature....... only 13.9xBet..

 

 

[ValDes]

15 hours ago, pinnit2015 said:

I never play bonanza on high ish stakes to start with - 40ps and work my way up nearly all the time. If i've a bonus to clear i'm straight in on the 2's but normally 40ps-1quids with straight cash.

Had a few sessions recently at l and l that bucked that trend. Gave it 40ps for 25 spins and then upped cos it felt it was playing OK and luckily they came in the higher stakes

Really curious to hear more how does such a work-way-up session look like. For example what are the signs or what should happen to raise/lower the bet. Is there any particular playing strategy you are using when it comes to autoplay? Etc, etc... Thanks in advance for revealing as much as possible about your BTG play-style.  

[pinnit2015]

15 minutes ago, ValDes said:

Really curious to hear more how does such a work-way-up session look like. For example what are the signs or what should happen to raise/lower the bet. Is there any particular playing strategy you are using when it comes to autoplay? Etc, etc... Thanks in advance for revealing as much as possible about your BTG play-style.  

Just informally and off top of head

The GOLs aren’t a giveaway; in fact the more it GOLs or pulses the worse the session IMO.

Some signs;

Regular 3 cascade wins, one spot left and you need one symbol, it’s drops in, if you spin 50 (which I normally do) and it’s less than 70percent returns normally not a good sign.

If it’s holding it’s balance keep spinning until it hits below that 70; once it does walk away as it then seems to go downhill from then

Must admit all my good sessions(and there’s the odd outlier) tend to be from good ish starts. Very few occasions have I started out bad and made a recovery. So if you go down straightaway I rarely climb back up

Few wee quirks in the drop of the D; comes down fast you tend to get a plus 5 a number of times.

You start GOLing with no cascade often it’s not your time....

Watch the speed of the game in the bonus. If it’s been fast in the base game it sometimes slows down a tad in the bonus the odd times; well does to be and that’s normally a sign of doom...

[pinnit2015]

Hard to put finger on it tbh; not meaning to sound like Johnny but I can normally get a sense of if it’s coming in within the first 150 spins. Not to say it’ll be any good... that’s one thing I can’t work out. Amount of times I was 3spins to go, x4 multi, and it threw out a 500x or just under has happened quite a few times.

[pinnit2015]

Bonanzas in my view is the easiest to read BTG game; DHV Iv been cursing no play and then had the 666 in the base game a few times and went ‘oh, never saw that coming’

[ValDes]

Thanks a lot for sharing!

So, it appears most of what you said is matching 100% of my own observations re Bonanza's typical behaviour. The only big difference I see is that both of my biggest wins came after a log, dry, poorly paying sessions.   

Re Danger High Voltage, cannot help myself hating that game from from the bottom of my gambling heart. Ugly interface, terrible sounds but as if often happens, ironically DHV produced my biggest ever and only (yet) 2000x win on any BTG slot. Go figure it out...  

To be honest, I gave Bonanza a few quick tries these last few days ( @Flatzem, it's all your fault   ) and had the odd feeling that somehow the game engine seems and feels a bit different than the one I used to last year... What's your take? 

[Flatzem]

1 hour ago, ValDes said:

Thanks a lot for sharing!

So, it appears most of what you said is matching 100% of my own observations re Bonanza's typical behaviour. The only big difference I see is that both of my biggest wins came after a log, dry, poorly paying sessions.   

Re Danger High Voltage, cannot help myself hating that game from from the bottom of my gambling heart. Ugly interface, terrible sounds but as if often happens, ironically DHV produced my biggest ever and only (yet) 2000x win on any BTG slot. Go figure it out...  

To be honest, I gave Bonanza a few quick tries these last few days ( @Flatzem, it's all your fault   ) and had the odd feeling that somehow the game engine seems and feels a bit different than the one I used to last year... What's your take? 

I only played it once last year (360 spins @ 0.20 stake and hit a feature on spin #278 paying 328xBet)... 

this year I had over a dozen sessions on it and some things to see from it how many spins into the session does it trigger a feature, 177th, 0/483, 0/100, 62nd, 203rd, 40th, 16th, 0/296, 266th, 496th, 0/400, 901st, 0/225....... the problem with this slot remains is that even though there can be long droughts the feature can result in 20x or worse. I tend to play it doing 25 spin auto batches. Give it a few batches to see how it's playing, sometimes I overstay and play too many batches, not really worth it.

what about how many spins between features? 278, 259, 644, 230, 1405, 228, 578, 315, 155, 139, 16, 562, 496, 1301, 956.

I can tell you most people are getting destroyed on it lately, I have heard of one bonanza addict that dropped about -£4.5K (1£/2£/4£ stakes) and another said about -£3K last week (low stakes). But then you have some players that get wins on it and praise it when they win luring more players (with winning screenshots) to return to it to feed it more.

No matter how much people win or lose on it they will go back to it.  It has 20% LDW (losses disguised as wins) so lots of positive re-enforcement there), about 60% dead spins, 17% for profitable spins and throw in a few equal returns for about 1.5%.

Some slots such as Dazzle Me have 75% dead spins and low number of LDWs...20% profitable spins,. but with Bonanza they went with 60% dead / and very high LDW's (20%). They knew what they were doing to keep this game giving all those little returns to keep players thinking they are doing good and stay on it and play on it more. They made it so addictive.

One last thing someone bragged during some slot stream that they had won 10K on bonanza recently, no mention of what stakes.

 

[ValDes]

11 minutes ago, Flatzem said:

...what about how many spins between features? 278, 259, 644, 230, 1405, 228, 578, 315, 155, 139, 16, 562, 496, 1301, 956....

 

1800 as far as I remember, on a dollar bet and then, when the feature finally came it paid the astonishing amount of the measly 20 bucks... The next one though came in less than 50 spins and paid out really well which helped covering all the losses from the 1800 no -feature-spins. 

Still, I tend to believe the 'balance' is no longer there and the game simply 'feels different' to me than it used to be back in late 2018 - early 2019... Could be the platform though. 

[Flatzem]

speaking of high variance slots, decided to give DOA1 a batch of 25 spins @ 27c / spin and on spin 24 it drops in a feature and had about 7 spins or more at least where I needed a wild on reel 1 to get the extra spins but Apache was nowhere to be found, had WILDS on middle & bottom of reel 2, WILDS on middle and bottom of reel 3, WILDS on top and middle of reel 4, and a WILD on bottom of reel 5. paid 178.67xBet........ but this could have been it, my first wild line if I had gotten those extra spins and then a wild to drop on bottom of 4th or top or middle of 5th. or top of 3rd. depending ofcourse where Apache showed up on reel 1. Ended up with 7 wilds on the screen. Just move one of the belles to 1st reel and drop della to bottom of 4th or raise one of the middle wilds to top.......

[imanorange]

On 4/3/2020 at 12:29 AM, Flatzem said:

Bonanza is being rubbish again, 225 spins at 80c for RTP of 66.24% highest win was I think 10xBet...

why do I start playing on 80c after a feature should give it a few hundred on 20c and THEN raise.

had a few heartstopper teases.

Rubbish indeed as this thread sort of kept the game on the fore front of my mind and in my weakness I dropped about $150 over three sessions. Biggest wins between 10x to 15x but I never got a bonus. I'm betting a dollar a spin. I won't be trying it again for a while unless I join a different casinos as this game behaves much different across casinos.

Thanks for your response to my post regarding slot zombie-ism (Apt new word I thought). Taking breaks is truly key to having a good day or several hour session. I wonder what the statistics are of people who DO NOT do this? I would imagine rather alarmingly high.

On a side note, I played Big Chili and got a bonus round which showed a +4 on one of the scatters giving me an additional 4 free spins. Needless to say they didn't really make a difference in the nominal outcome of 45x total bonus. Pathetic if you ask me. Funny enough 2 spins after the bonus round I got a huge win on a single spin for 60x and moved on after that.

I like the Megaways concept except the occurrence of it is few and far between. Most of the time you get minimal ways.

 

[Flatzem]

gave Bonanza another session , this time at 60c spins, and on spin #121 it dropped in a feature from a heart stopper. This was spin #346 since the previous feature. The pay out was 79.2xBet. (reached a 14x multiplier)

1st spin gets 2 wins, 2nd spin dead (bogus wild with diamond up top), 3rd spin (2 wilds up top creates 3 cascading wins) brings multiplier to 6x, 4th spin: up to is a bogus wild and blue gem and bogus wild, 3rd reel up top is blue gem and down below is giant 9 and giant red gem if any of those had been a green gem it would have connected with multiple ways as there were 5 green gems on reel 5.  when multiplier got to 10x it gave some NEAR miss dead spins including a spin where red gem on reel 1, NO gems on reel 2, and then top of reel 3 is a bogus wild, top of reel 4 is a bogus wild, top of reel 5 is a red gem and another red gem under it on reel 5, and then on reel 6 there was another red gem. the next spin more red gems and wilds but NO connection cause reel 3 had nothing good.... coulda been so much better. If a red gem showed up on  reel 2 when I had a red gem on reel 1 and two wilds and red gem up top and red gem on reel 5 and reel 6 that spin would have paid with the 10x multiplier.... 4 ways of 6OAKred gems at 10x would have paid 180e and made this feature close to 400xBet.

Highest base game win this session was 14.95xBet.

At end of spin #120 was down 50.8x but the feature turned that around to finish up 27.4x.

 

[Afi4wins]

All that sounds like an autopsy surgeon at work... 

[Flatzem]

gave Bonanza another session , this time started at 60c spins for the first 25 spin batch, then switched to 40c spins and on Spin #67 it dropped in a feature. This was spin #67 since the previous feature. The pay out was only 25.2xBet. (reached a 8x Multiplier), there were 6 dead spins., session RTP 87.20%

Highest base game win this session was 8xBet on 40c bet.

 

 

 

[Flatzem]

Gave some other BTG slots some spins, but some session the same slot is cold and other times its giving wins, you gotta hit and run with BTG but I sometimes overstay hoping for it to give a good batch but pay the price. Take Starquest for example first time played it it was almost completely dead spins in the 25 spin batch (RTP 20.8%). then 2nd time played it and it was giving frequent wins and peaked at 29x, finished on it 11x after 75 spins  (RTP 114.2% ), but 3rd time gave it 25 spins and it took 19x from me (RTP 23.4%).

Then Queen of Riches first time played it it was good, finished 60x up on it (25sp batch) (RTP 344% ) but then 2nd time played it (on same day) and gave it too many spins (175) and it took 85x from me. (RTP 51%), overstaying BTG slots when they are cold most unlikely for them to turn around to give decent win.

Went over to Dazzle Me and that gave me 60x, not a diamond beam in sight in 62 spins, very strange (usually you get some diamond beams this time NONE, no free spins (couple times it teased with double scatters) but it gave a few good wins along the way, 18x 29x, 30x thus finished 60x up on it. (RTP 196%)

Best 3 wins from BTG today was all on Q_of_R in the first session today when it gave 33x, 28x, 19x. However in the 2nd session on Q_of_R (175 spins) best was just 16x. Best from Starquest was just 2x (25 spins) (RTP 23.4%).

 

Note: tried playing a couple of new NetEnt slots Wilderline & TwinSpin Deluxe but they were too slow on the old lappy and had to quit after 1 spin cause the were taking a minute to finish one spin (or it won't even finish the spin as the reels keep spinning in slow mo but won't stop) so unplayable. Why doesn't NetEnt have an option to use slots in low graphics quality, they used to have that did they remove those options from all slots?

[Fiekie247]

I personally tried bonanza the pass 2 weeks

- Goling without cascading in 2 of my sessions

- Goling in 1 of my sessions with cascades, but never that D.. I know if it takes long to cascade the spin ends

- Other winning session, 700 spins, x1000 in profit of base game wins and I think 2 GOL's

 

 and I am over 5000 spins within the same casino over 4 different sessions. Not a single bonus.Played of the SG platform. I heard lately the QF platforms performs better these days.

I had 2 decent base game hits x620 could not capture that screenie and  you know that over x800 from 2 weeks ago.

2  sessions I was above the 80% range balance after over 1000 - 1500  spins on 4.00 zar and then one session I ended up the 40% range balance after over 1000 spins and 1 session I ended up being over x1000 in profit from the session.

90% of bets at 4 zar and the other 10 % at 2 zar

[pinnit2015]

had a weird session last night: Sky Vegas was going bonus mad: one in the first spin as well.

Best was this, rest were rubbishy.

[pinnit2015]

Then the dark side of bonanza, probably about 12 spins later....19 quid i went in with so 5x, ooft.

 

[Flatzem]

2 hours ago, pinnit2015 said:

Then the dark side of bonanza, probably about 12 spins later....19 quid i went in with so 5x, ooft.

 

after you had the 264.75xBet feature (nice of you to have it on 2quid and not 40p like some of the other times you play on) it will have to throw in a few rubbish ones. (still reading through that mega thread, up to page 60, so many crazy stats that are being talked about there, people getting consecutive rubbish bonuses of say 40 in a row all under 50x) yet these people that are complaining continue to keep playing cause of serious bonanza addiction.

my last few features on bonanza are like this,  298.95x, 28.25x, 323.95x, 62.5x, 28.95x, 178.05x, 79.2x, 25.2x.

Multiple times certain people have said they won't play it again and they came back to it.

What is it about this game. The cascades? other games have it, the fast pace tune? the unlimited multiplier in features?

Does Bonanza by any chance use a different set of reels during the feature than it does for the base game... I wonder about that cause we know there are slots that use different reels for features. Are they messing with it during features who knows?

 

[Flatzem]

3 hours ago, Fiekie247 said:

I personally tried bonanza the pass 2 weeks

- Goling without cascading in 2 of my sessions

- Goling in 1 of my sessions with cascades, but never that D.. I know if it takes long to cascade the Spin ends

- Other winning session, 700 spins, x1000 in profit of base game wins and I think 2 GOL's

 

 and I am over 5000 spins within the same casino over 4 different sessions. Not a single bonus.Played of the SG platform. I heard lately the QF platforms performs better these days.

I had 2 decent base game hits x620 could not capture that screenie and  you know that over x800 from 2 weeks ago.

2  sessions I was above the 80% range balance after over 1000 - 1500  spins on 4.00 zar and then one session I ended up the 40% range balance after over 1000 spins and 1 session I ended up being over x1000 in profit from the session.

90% of bets at 4 zar and the other 10 % at 2 zar

if you hadn't had those monster base game hits then how different would things be. Big hits like that keep players playing on. I am waiting for something good like that, so far my best base game is just 50.7x and best feature is 327.95x. Try some manual spins , mixed between the autoplay. see if that makes any difference in getting the features. more delay between spins. etc. 5000 spins is incredibly long time not to get a feature. Some people do just 100 spins and if they get no feature they play on a different day or few hours later.

[pinnit2015]

Not sure if it does use different reel bands/weightings in the bonus - well, never seen 117k in the bonus and rarely see above 20k MW as well

I went about 15 bonus's at one point all sub 50, then it'll go through periods of 100-150x and wing in the odd 500

Definitely harder to get 500x plus now than 2 years ago - without a doubt

[Flatzem]

3 hours ago, pinnit2015 said:

Not sure if it does use different reel bands/weightings in the bonus - well, never seen 117k in the bonus and rarely see above 20k MW as well

I went about 15 bonus's at one point all sub 50, then it'll go through periods of 100-150x and wing in the odd 500

Definitely harder to get 500x plus now than 2 years ago - without a doubt

you've had hundreds upon hundreds of features on bonanza and that would be thousands of spins worth of feature spins, yet not once you have had a 117,649 ways during those free spins.

has anyone had 117k is there a video of it. cause if not then the feature reels are not same as base game.

[Flatzem]

Gave Bonanza a batch of 25 spins at 60c, it spat out RTP 49.6% meh highest win 5.15xBet, then gave Queen of Riches a batch of 25 spins at 40c for RTP 102.8% (highest win 20x), then went over to StarQuest with 40c spins and gave it four 25 spin batches, RTP 39.2%, RTP 79%, RTP 81.2%, , RTP 101.8% and then came batch #5 where on the last spin of the batch it gave a big win.1323.75xBet.... (reel 3 had a 3x wild, reel 4 had a 4x wild, reel 5 had a 2x wild, imagine reel 2 getting a 5x wild woulda increased the win to 6618.75xBet or somewhere like that) prior to that spin the best win SQ gave this session was 18x at end of batch #4 Looking at the first four SQ batches they kept improving.

48 ways of green gems = 5.76e + 192 ways of red gems = 230.40e + 48 ways of SQ symbol = 288e for a total of 529.50e (where did we see a 529.50 recently? in pinnits bonanza screenshot, thats where)

I was thinking during the session that this slot has potential for big wins even with 9's which there were a few near misses. which would have paid about 150e on some of them.

Shoulda coulda woulda raised.  Need to be more aware of the improvement in batch performance % wise and put in an occasional raise here and there more often but at the same time that last spin could have been a dead spin like the other 97 dead spins from the SQ session, 97 of 125 spins were dead (77.6%) and 10 LDWs (losses disguised as wins were 8%). Combines to 85.6% losing spins. SQ has much higher dead spins than Bonanza. (Bonanza prefers to do 61% dead spins and 19% LDWs) combining for a 80% losing spins.  But cause 61% are dead spins in Bonanza you are going to get 39% of spins to be positive re-enforcement (cause the equal returns plus LDWs and profitable spins combine to that addictive 39% number. SQ has only 22.4% positive re-enforcement spins. Explains why Bonanza is one of the most addictive slots ever made combine that with the high pace tune. All spins were done manually, manual batches give player more time to assess the situation instead of just letting a cluster of close RNG spins. From time to time mix it up with manual and auto.

[ValDes]

13 hours ago, pinnit2015 said:

Not sure if it does use different reel bands/weightings in the bonus - well, never seen 117k in the bonus and rarely see above 20k MW as well

I went about 15 bonus's at one point all sub 50, then it'll go through periods of 100-150x and wing in the odd 500

Definitely harder to get 500x plus now than 2 years ago - without a doubt

 

10 hours ago, Flatzem said:

you've had hundreds upon hundreds of features on bonanza and that would be thousands of spins worth of feature spins, yet not once you have had a 117,649 ways during those free spins.

has anyone had 117k is there a video of it. cause if not then the feature reels are not same as base game.

As far as I know and based on my own experience playing Bonanza, the max reel combination of 117K is not even present during the bonus round feature.  Unlike Who Wants To Be Millionaire for example where it often lands during the bonus. 

[pinnit2015]

6 minutes ago, ValDes said:

 

As far as I know and based on my own experience playing Bonanza, the max reel combination of 117K is not even present during the bonus round feature.  Unlike Who Wants To Be Millionaire for example where it often lands during the bonus. 

BTG told me it was though but tbh they’re like the nefarious fracking company of slots 

[pinnit2015]

Sorting my screenshots of two years ago; came across 6 so far, and more counting, of 500x plus wins. All in 6 months so far. Last two years I think it’ll be on one hand. 
 

Stats aside. Anyone who’s played it from the start knows that early days, providing you played it enough, the hope of the big wins was there; that’s now been replaced by the almost certain feeling you’re getting 100x max.

Bonus frequency for me has stayed the same; no difference noted