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I have been charged too much on deposits


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Hello.

First of all; I'm fully aware of that both the casino/ casinos provider for deposits and withdrawal, and the bank can have their fees. But now I have made deposits to Betsafe the whole month.

In the beginning of February, a deposit on 2000NOK was 2005NOK total, wich is completely normally.

I'm used to the casinos taking some valuta exhange fees, and the total amount if often various.

Sadly all my deposits on 15th-17th February was charged a lot more than just the exhange fees. Here a deposit on 4000 NOK got the total amount of 4377 NOK. The even worse is that there was NO verification at all on my deposits, and I was fully charge without the possible way to accept/decline the transaction, which is something that should be able when it's in different currencies.

When i asked the casino about this, they started with blaming my bank, which here is Revolut. The best part about revolut is that they are saying how much the seller is taken, and how much they are going to take in fees. Revolut even use dynamic valutas, so they are using the real exchange rate at the moment.

When I tried to tell this to the casino, they told me that they haven't taken anything at all, but gave me 442 NOK back. This is a lot under what I have been payed.. I'm missing 2332NOK from all of my deposits in a period of three days.

As told earlier. In the beginning of the month the total amount was around 1-50 NOK over what i actually depositing, which is totally fine, but when its nearly 10% on some of the deposits, its to much. Even when I have no possible ways to decline it, and tell them about this.

I even tried with Mastercard, where they are charging me even in NOK. This was even HIGHER than using Visa. So when they were charging in the same valuta, the total amount was on 8110 NOK, when I was trying to deposit 7500 NOK.

The worst part of this experience is that there is absolutely NO verification when i do have enough on my bank account. But when tried on an empty one, the verification was coming, and here i could see that they are charging a lot more in different currencies, before my bank have something to do about it.

I'm therefore requesting my differences back, which is now on 1890 NOK (since they have already paid 442NOK)

The attached files is showing that this is just being happening the last week this month, and the support is declining that they have something to do about this.. Sadly its neither me or my bank who have taken those money.

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Motivo Otro
Cantidad kr2332

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User name

Dear all,

Following a careful review and consideration of all the information, details and/or proof presented by the parties during the complaint process, the AskGamblers Complaint Team reached the conclusion that Betsafe Casino management acted in accordance with their Terms and Conditions.

Based on the abovementioned information, the AskGamblers Complaint Team considers this case resolved and it is now officially closed. While we understand this might not be the outcome expected by the complainant, we would like to remind you that, in case of a disagreement with our decision, further assistance on the matter could be requested from the relevant regulatory body and/or appointed ADR entity.

User name
Hi BIGXGAMERS,

As I have already clarified and you have confirmed, we have clearly operated in line with our Terms and Conditions, which you have accepted when registering and using the account.

The actual Complaint is therefore closed.

For the very last time I will answer these last questions as a courtesy although they are clearly beyond the scope of this complaint and I repeat, all covered by the Terms and Conditions I have quoted and therefore ACCEPTED by the customer.

1. This is obviously wrong, exchange rates are decided and managed by Banking and financial institutions, in no way do we have any say. This is pretty common knowledge.

2. That is also obviously incorrect, as customer mentions in point 1, it is not how this works.

3. As said, you are free to have your opinion, and blame whoever you wish, this is however irrelevant, as I have now clearly and unmistakably explained, we do inform that with payment transactions other parties might apply exchange fees and other charges, and by using our site this is known and accepted by the customers.

I have now answered the questions and will consider the Complaint responded and closed as it was confirmed by customer that s/he was aware and understood our Terms and Conditions of use of Site.


Regards

Roger

Betsafe Customer Support Manager
User name loyalty-level-2
I will add these questions once more, since it feels like its hard for you to answer on those.

1. You said that Betsafe have nothing to do with fees from provider, BUT there is betsafe who decides the exchange rate.. Why isn't the Betsafe i can accuse for fraudly behaviour here?

2. I Have read the terms and conditions, and when stated ""Any payments received in a currency other than the one chosen by you will be converted into the currency of Your Account at the exchange rate we choose. Also, any exchange premiums are payable by you."
Why is it still 610 NOK to much on a deposit NOK to NOK?

3. The most sadly thing is that you aren't willing to take any kind of blame, but proof of that my bank have nothing to do with it, is very weird. The third party/ payment provider, is chosen by you, and therefore it's fair for me to lay the blame on betsafe.
User name loyalty-level-2
Dear Roger.

Your answers are VERY vague, and not explaining your statements.

WHY are my assumption incorrect?

Why are you not answering my questions?

But you are totally correct that this isn't about your terms and conditions, but really under the category scam. I'm here giving full detail about everything i'm confronts you with, and the only thing i'm getting back is that this is incorrect?

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Status solved Resuelta
Retiro total de fondos Error 20012
Me contacto por éste medio para que me ayuden.
Ya que el operador mencionado (Betsafe) en sus recientes respuestas de hace unos días indica que la cuenta ya está habilitada para el inicio de sesión y el retiro total de los fondos, sin embargo al intentar el retiro figura "error 20012". Se informó de ello al chat y me responde que solo queda esperar, que va derivar el caso (Llevo esperando una solución concreta más de 3 meses) y al informar a su soporte mediante correo responde que intente desde un dispositivo móvil, una pestaña de incógnito y demás.
Se procedió nuevamente a intentarlo en distintos dispositivos y presenta el mismo error.
Realmente es muy frustrante la situación. Es un tiempo demasiado extendido. A raíz de digitar mal mis datos en el registro, en mi 1er apellido digitando Paohuanaco (Siendo correcto Pacohuanaco) omitiendo la letra "c" y en mi fecha de nacimiento digitando 15 por el 16. Al no revisar detenidamente se me pasó, ya que estuve ansiosa por empezar y sumando a ello que sufro de miopía (No contaba con los lentes puestos). Ya al depositar mi dinero e iniciar sesión es donde me doy cuenta, al ingresar a mi perfil y ver los datos equivocados, de inmediato me contactó con el chat e informó sobre los detalles a lo que me sugieren esperar hasta regularizar ello para evitar problemas futuros, por ello no generé ningún movimiento. Y me contacté con soporte a lo cual me solicitaron subir mis documentos en el sistema de la cuenta en "verificación de cuenta". Se subió mi documento de identidad (D.N.I.) en ambos lados, recibo de servicios (El cual figura a nombre de mi abuelo por ser el titular de la vivienda) y una foto mía portando mi D.N.I.
Se cumplió con éxito la verificación de cuenta ya que se envió lo solicitado, sin embargo no me ayudaron sino restringieron mi cuenta e inhabilitaron. Luego me pidieron explicaciones absurdas del por qué mi D.N.I. no coincide con los datos registrados, el porqué figura el documento de un tercero (Supongo que se refiere al recibo de servicios). Se respondió con las explicaciones del caso, pero ello no respondían por semanas. Y tuve que volver a contactar con chat y enviar un correo nuevo tanto a soporte en el idioma ingles y español. Escribí por facebook al mesenger de Betsafe Perú y también en comentarios.
Ya luego de mucho tiempo me responden con lo informado en un principio.
Que mi cuenta se encuentra habilitada para inicio de sesión y el retiro total de los fondos y demás.
Pero aún no me facilitan ello. Más se han encargado de ponerme obstáculos.
Son más de 3 meses que me tienen angustiada y con el estrés que produce dicha situación. Afectando mi salud emocional.
Me produce demasiada tristeza la situación. Reclamo mi dinero ya que me dejan de manos atadas. Y porque ya me hace falta. Es injusto que me perjudiquen así.
Ni que estuviera esperando un bebé o un regalo de navidad. Más empatía y compromiso para resolver la situación.
Espero el apoyo del caso y la pronto solución.
Adjunto capturas.
Gracias.
Status unsolved No resuelta
Delayed verification and rejected withdrawal
I started using Betsafe on 22.6.2024 when I deposited 1000 euros into my account, after that I generated some winnings and I withdrew my initial deposit of 1000 euros + 50 euros winnings (1050 euro withdrawal made 6.7.2024), the withdrawal that time was succcesful. I made another withdrawal of 300 euros 13.7.2024, that one also was successful. Now when I tried to make a withdrawal 30.7.2024 of 2002,99 euros, Betsafe wanted additional verification. Of course I have used betting sites before and I understand their KYC process, so I provided every document that they asked for. I sent in many documents (bankstatements, proof of income, etc.) so that they got exactly what they wanted, but it is all correctly sent in and accepted by Betsafe. Every document they have asked for, I have provided.

8.8.2024 I sent in the last requested document and I have now awaited any news since then. There have been no updates from livechat or email support and they are telling me that they are unable to help until the relevant department have reviewed the documents. I cannot understand why this verification is taking so long.
The requested withdrawal I made of 2002,99 (30.7.2024) euros has now suddenly been cancelled without any action on my behalf so now I am getting worried that there is something else going on.

I have given Betsafe a lot of my time and patience but now I am hoping that this forum might help me solve this case, so we can all move on with our lives.
Status solved Resuelta
€2,003