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Unfair account closure and race suspension


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Por Patric A.
hace 7 años
So, this whole mess started with a user on Casinogrounds.com wrote a message that he had hit rock bottom, he had gambling problems and had spent his entire sallery on online gaming in 1.5 days. So as a former problem gambler I instantly replied to his post and wrote him a PM that I would like to offer my help with his gambling problems.

The day after that I allso wrote a post on said forum about my history, that 20+ years ago I had a severe gambling problem. I did everything and anything (more or less) to get money to finance my gambling problems (online gambling didn't exist back then). And I wrote abit on how I manged to get rid of my problem by going to GA (annonymous gamblers) meetings and talking to everyone about it.

As gambling addiction is a behavior addiction and not a chemical one, you can with help get totaly free from your addiction. And I wanted to share my experience and help other that might be in the seat I was 20+ years ago.However, LeoVegas read my posts and turned my words around and only saw that yes, here is a person with gambling problems, that is a someone we can't have as a customer due to our MGA license.

I had been a customer on LeoVegas for 5 years, and during those 5 years I had withdrawn more money than I have deposited.
Deposits: 106.894,00 SEK
Withdraws: 116.481,92 SEK
So if we devide the sum of deposits over the 60 months I've been a member there it's ~1782 SEK / month
And if we devide the sum of withdraws over the 60 months it's ~1941 SEK / month.
So over a 60 month period I'm win around 160 SEK / month.
And as a former problem gambler I know that back in the days that would NEVER happend, if I would win, I would gamble it away the day after.

However, I've reached out to LeoVegas and tried to talk to them but they just turn a deaf ear saying that the decition has been made and it won't be overturned. They take RG seriously and due to their MGA license they had to shut down my account. So I turned to MGA and filed a complain there to ask them for help, but LeoVegas didn't break any law when closing my acccount and according to their rule 2.1.9 in their terms and condition :
‘2.1.9 LeoVegas may at its own discretion and without having to provide any justification, refuse to open an account or close an existing account.’
They are in their right to do so for whatever reason, they allso told me that there was no reason to shut down my account due to my previous gambling problems and don't see why they would do it for that reason, however they are in their right to shut down any account they like for no reason at all with their terms and condition.

However, they held a competion with Casinogrounds.com and Authentic gaming where they where going to hand out 2 prices, both where a trip for 2 persons to USA, hotel, accomidations, 5000 SEK in spending money and a bunch of events to attend to. Each price where valued at about 50.000 SEK.The competition had ended and it was just the drawing left, and because of the lack of participants I had a extremly high chanse to win one of the trips, but the same day as the drawing they decided to close my account and remove me from the closed competition and rob me of my chanse to win a price because the win was bad for me (they told me so over the phone) as the price was going to mainly a casino in the USA and they didn't want to put me in such a stressfull situation with my previous gambling problems (that I had 20+ years ago).

I make this complaint as to try to open a dialoge with LeoVegas as the chat just closes the chat when I try to talk to them. I would like to have my account reopened again as LeoVegas is basicly the only casino I play on. I would allso like to have some compensation for the competition that I think they wrongfully removed me from. I had 10 tickets for the draw, when my tickets was removed there was less than 70 tickets left in the draw, so I had about 10/80 + 10/70 chanse to win the trip (when one person won their other tickets where invalid. That was ~30% chanse of me winning one of the 2 major prices (they allso drew some minor ones)
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Based on the fact that player himself admitted that MGA ruled in the casino's favor, and since the MGA is the official regulatory body whose decisions are of the highest priority when it comes to complaints related matters referring to LeoVegas casino, AskGamblers Complaint Team has no other option but to mark this case as resolved in casino's favor as well.

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And here is a copy of the mail I recieved from MGA.
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Estadísticas de quejas de LeoVegas Casino

Resueltas 149 / 163
Cantidad promedio $5,959
Duración media de quejas 9 días
Tiempo de respuesta promedio 2 días
No asigna bono y malos tratos

Vengo a denunciar el incumplimiento de un bono y el maltrato recibido por sus operadores de atención al cliente.

Aproveché un bono, de 35 tiradas gratis en un tragamonedas llamado Puebla Parade, depositando $15.000.-, con un requisito de apuesta de 10 veces aquel depósito en juegos de casino.

Aposté jugando blackjack clásico en español la cantidad requerida para la obtención de la recompensa, sin embargo, nunca se me acreditaron las tiradas gratis, por lo que levanté un reclamo y para mi sorpresa, la persona de atención al cliente "Valentina", me informa que el juego de blackjack no aplica para el requisito de apuesta, ya que el término de la promoción indica "juegos de casino". No obstante lo anterior, navegando en su web, en los apartados de "Términos y Condiciones de los Bonos" y "Términos y Condiciones Generales", se puede observar:

Definiciones

"“Juegos” hace referencia a casino, casino en vivo, apuestas deportivas, juegos de bingo, y cualquier otro juego en nuestra Sitio Web, que pueda estar disponible ocasionalmente. El Operador se reserva el derecho de añadir o quitar juegos del sitio web a su propia discreción."

Artículo 13:

"Nuestros juegos contribuyen a los bonos de Casino y Casino en Vivo de la siguiente manera:

-Tragamonedas - 100%

Juegos en Vivo - 100%, a excepción de los siguientes Juegos en Vivo:

Cash or Crash - 10%

Texas Hold'em Bonus Poker - 20%

Ultimate Texas Hold'em - 20%

Craps - 20%

Baccarat - 30% (Excepto Live Baccarat Macao de LiveG24 - 0%).

French Roulette - 40%

Bac Bo - 40%

Fan Tan - 40%

Blackjack - 20%

-Juegos de mesa - 10%

-Video Poker - 10%

-Resto de juegos - 0%

Los siguientes juegos contribuyen en un 70% al requisito de apuesta: Pirates Gold, Blood Suckers, Dead or Alive, Devils Delight, Simsalabim, Supernova, Beetle Frenzy, Magic Love, Safari Madness, 1429 Uncharted Seas, Bloodsuckers Touch, Blood Suckers, Dead or Alive, Dead or Alive Mobile.

Los siguientes juegos contribuyen en un 0% al requisito de apuesta: Champion of the Track, Kings of Chicago, Zombies, Aliens, Aliens Touch, Castle Builder, The Wishmaster, Pearls of India, Pearls of India Mobile, Forsaken Kingdom, The Wishmaster, 100 Bit Dice, Wheely Wheely Big Win, 1000x Busta, Book of 99, Gold Digger Mines, Spaceman, Mines Dare 2 Win, 98 Bounty Hot 1, Skyliner."

Asimismo, tengo en antecedente, la obtención de la recompensa de 60 tiradas gratis (otro bono), con requisito de apuesta 5 veces en "juegos de casino", la cual obtuve, reclamé y se me acreditaron aquellas 60 tiradas, participando en el mismo juego, "Blackjack en español".

Es por lo anterior, que no entiendo el cambio de criterio aplicado por la encargada de servicio al cliente que me atendió, "Valentina" y requiero sea solucionada a la brevedad.

Asimismo, consulté por otra promoción, la cual se encuentra en el apartado " Mis ofertas" "Casino en vivo", sin embargo, obtuve la misma respuesta por Patricia, quien incluso fue excesivamente grosera, se unía al chat e inmediatamente se salía, sin siquiera tomar el requerimiento. Además, asume que es publicidad engañosa, al encontrarse la promoción en el apartado "casino en vivo" como banner de "casino en vivo" y permitir solo apuestas de juegos de "casino".

Finalmente, hacer presente, que dentro de los términos y condiciones, no existe en ninguna sección de vuestra página, un apartado que haga distinción entre "casino" y "casino en vivo", ni nada similar.

Tengo imagen en PDF de bono reclamado con fecha 03.01.2022, en donde bajo las mismas condiciones del bono en cuestión, obtuve la recompensa.

Tengo imagen de la nueva promoción, en el apartado "Casino en vivo" y conversación con "Patricia".

Status solved Resuelta
Has locked my account due to security reason
Hey guys,

So a little side information before we get into it all I'm located in Ontario Canada and therefore a regulated market by igaming and it is 100% legal here. I've been wagering for over 2 decades on sports and casino games so I'm very familiar with multiple books and how terms and conditions go and what is industry standard when it comes to customer service

So let's dive into it

I signed up for LeoVegas back in OCT 2023. I strictly play online slots with this provider. Nothing else. I used their new user promo which I believe was - depo $250 get 100% match x5 roll over or something.

Rolled it over and won a bit of money. Continued to play and use all the promotions they were offering me and over the months I grew the account to almost $11000. I would continue to deposit and withdrawal(to unlock promotions) and roll them over. At some point in March 2024 I pulled out $3400 and brought the account down to $7500. I continued to play as normal until about 3-4 weeks ago when I noticed withdrawals were taking way longer than usual. Typically it would be within a few hours then it was a few days and then it got to a point where I had to use the live chat and ask for my withdrawal to be processed. Deposits were still instant.

So last week I go on live chat and request my withdrawal to be processed and the agent says that in order to do this I need to verify my documents. I then say I have already done this when I first signed up and that I wouldn't have been able to ask chat the last few times to process my withdrawals(as well as the 100+ other withdrawals I made since first signing up). They say "no you need to verify your documents". So I go look and sure enough my documents are gone. I re-upload everything and get the confirmation I am fully verified(have screen shot). The agent processes my withdrawal no problem. Monday May 13th rolls around and I go to sign into my account only to find I've been locked out. So I hop on the live chat and ask if I need to reset my password or if there were too many failed attempts which is typically how account's get locked. The agent states this is not the issue. So I ask what is the problem? They reply that they can't provide this information and that I will receive an email from their "relevant department". I ask when I should I expect this email? The agent states it's a que based system and it will get handled in order.

It's been 5 days and they won't tell me anything while holding my $7000 hostage (this money is not attached to any sort of roll over requirements which is confirmed by live support)

Things they can't tell me about my account

Why it was locked? What department is handling my account? How long will this process take?

Things they can tell me about my account

My funds are still there

AskGamblers please help!
Status solved Resuelta
$7,000
Verification problem with the casino
I played on LeoVegas and won some money I wanted to withdraw. Once I withdrawed €1500 I recieved an email that I should verify my account and I proceeded to do so. Unfortunately when I came to my Identity verification it asked me to upload a photo of my passport or drivers licence - I do not own any of that, I have only my Identity card. I contacted support to check if they are approving that and was told that they do so and they sent me new links to upload it. When I pressed on link it didn't give me that option still. I contacted support again and they told me to send an email and I did - to this day I still haven't recieved any feedback. So I decided to contact support again when they told me they do not accept ID card only passport and/or drivers licence once I told them their colleague told me differently they said that they actually do accept it and that I should upload it in drivers license part and that they will accept that. When I uploaded my ID card in drivers license section they just rejected it and said it's wrong document. I really only want to verify my account and withdraw money and they are making it impossible. I am very frustrated and stressed with this situation and don't know who else to contact regarding this issue. I had similar problem with my proof of address - I uploaded 2 different documents dated less than 3 months from today and they just kept rejecting it. They just keep changing stories and it became very frustrating and stressful for me to deal with.
Status solved Resuelta
€1,500
Account as been locked

I tried to place a bet on an online casino game and was told my bet exceeded the limit. I contact Leo Vegas the casino I’m playing with for them to say my account is under review and I would not be able to play or withdraw my money. They said someone would be in touch via email and that they didn’t have a time frame.

My current balance is £5440.20 if I can remember correctly. 2 days later I went to log in to be told my account was locked due to security reasons. I contacted them again and was told that someone would email me and that again they didn’t have a time frame.

I have seen other players have this issue and I refuse to wait weeks or months to gain access again to my account. I’m sorry but issues like this should take no longer than 24 hours to resolve. It has now been coming upto a month and I am still getting the same automated response!! All I’m being told is that my account is under review and it is locked due to security reasons. I have been told that the relevant department will email me but this hasn’t happened. I have been waiting ages keep getting told the same everyday!!

I sent 3 months worth of bank statements and 3 months payslips I can’t get as I don’t work on have emailed loads stating that Still waiting for a response and for my account restrictions to be lifted

All I keep getting told is to wait 3 to 5 days every 3 days And still with no reply or email it’s starting to be a JOKE

With all the bad reviews I’ve read I just want my money back in my account then I’m out!!!!

Status solved Resuelta
£5,440
Deliberately imposing impossible verification procedures and refusing perfectly valid document

Dear Ask Gamblers,


I am being driven round in circles by Leo Vegas, who are intentionally stalling verification in order to hold onto my funds.

My ID has been approved.

I was originally asked to upload my Proof of Address document on September 22nd. I uploaded this as requested, and was told that it was verified.

Sept 23 - Was told Proof of Address was actually not verified, and I needed to upload a Proof of Address. No explanation was given.

Sept 23 - Was told Proof of address accepted, then later told it wasn't. No explanation given

Sept 24-28 - The same cycle repeats, with Leo Vegas emailing me to say Proof of Address accepted, then reverts to not accepted.


When I confronted them about this on live chat the first time, they said I need to upload an alternate document. I asked what the reason for this is, since Bank Statement is clearly one of the documents they accept, and was told to simply upload a Utility Bill or Tax document.

I'm a student. I live in a student address and don't have either of these. I've explained this 3 times on live chat, to Nick, who is most unhelpful.

I'm continually being asked to upload another document, when I've explained I don't have one. I deposited money, knowing that a bank statement would be accepted, and for no reason, they're refusing to accept it.

From viewing other complaints on Leo Vegas, it's clear this is an ongoing practice that Leo Vegas impose in order to hold onto funds.

The amount of my withdrawal is $6,399.50. Leo Vegas obviously feel this is worth trying to hold onto, by pulling these fake excuses.

I've attached proof of Leo Vegas telling me my account is verified. I've also attached my Proof of Address here. Its a Canada TD bank statement. One of the biggest banks in the country. I'm not sure what their problem is.


Mack

Status solved Resuelta
$6,400