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Por catwowan
hace 10 años
As Ask Gamblers stated Royal Panda casino was superb, I felt happy to join and deposit money.They had such a high rating that I didn't feel I would have any problem with this casino. How wrong was I. After playing on the site for a few days I decided to self exclude myself as I had lost smooch money. Before I did I saw that I had spent so much money I had built up 10 free spins on both Starbust and Dead or Alive slots. I tried to access these free spins but was unable to do so. I then continued with the self exclusion and asked that I be excluded from playing on the site for a period of 2 years. That was at 03.47 on 23 September. I received an automated reply with ticket no JKZ-867-17417. At 08.54 the next morning I received the following reply:
Great news, your Loyal Panda Shop order: 10 free spins for Starburst and 10 free spins for Dead or Alive, has been added to your account.

We also added 10 free spins for Twin Spin as your shop order hadn’t been processed before you applied a time-out.

We hope you enjoy it!

• Ticket: MOX-515-33572
• Status: Closed
I immediately noticed they had received my exclusion request as they refer to my time out request in the e mail. I was disappointed to note that despite this they were enticing me back on to their site with not only my shop order free spins but they had gave me another 10 free spins on another game. I logged back on some 10 hours later and played all the free spins thinking it couldn't do any harm as I had self excluded and they had acknowledged that in their e mail to me. After playing the free spins I then tried to deposit hoping I would not be allowed to as I had self excluded.
Unfortunately for me they continued to let me deposit even when they had acknowledged in their e mail to me that I had self excluded. I went on to lose hundreds of pounds. I contacted them by e mail pointing out I should not have been allowed to deposit money when I had self excluded and they were aware of it as they had referred to it in an e mail to me, (attached). I asked for a refund of the money I had lost after self excluding and pointed out that not only had they acknowledged my self exclusion in their reply they had also enticed me back on to their site with free spins and even given me additional free spins.
They replied saying they were sorry but they could not return my money. Again I explained they were at fault as although they were aware of self exclusion as referred to in their e mail, they didn't block my account and allowed me to continue depositing. I am appalled at the underhand way they have dealt with this. They knew I self excluded but enticed me back on to their site with the offer of free spins. I would warn other people who have an addiction not to play on this site as they will entice you on with the free spins even after you have self excluded and blame you.
They are irresponsible and only want your money and will take it regardless if you have self excluded or not !
I then explained the position in a further e mail and asked for the address of where I could complain to. This e mail was ignored.
I would warn other players against playing at this site and want to let Ask Gamblers know the unscrupulous way they entice players on to their site and make them aware that even if you self exclude they will let you deposit on their site and refuse to return the money they shouldn't have let you deposit as they knew you had self excluded.
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After a careful consideration of all the facts and evidence presented during the complaints process, we came to the decision that player's claims for a deposit refund are unjustified.

It is essential for any player to know that self-exclusion request and implementation is a process of mutual cooperation and it's success depends on the efforts made by both sides involved into that process. In fact, it is now clear that player have already used some of the built-in website tools to request a self-exclusion before /player has been successfully self-excluded for the period 23/08.2015 - 23/09/2015/, but chosen not to that this time /claiming a longer self-exclusion period was needed/. Instead, player chosen to send en email and wait while player could easily use the same built-in website feature and self-exclude on their own while waiting their account to be excluded for a longer period. We find this fact as disturbing and we believe that it does not represent in any way the typical behaviour of a player who is seriously determined to stop playing for certain period of time. Had the player have won during that time, we have serious doubts a refund was about to be requested.

On the other hand, we find the period of 33+ hours for processing and implementing a simple self exclusion request is a bit longer and not totally complying with the best Responsible Gaming practices. We also recommend Royal Panda casino to add long term self exclusion options into their built-in website Responsible gaming feature and thus, to grant more options for a hassle free and faster self exclusion process to their customers.

We would also like to remind the submitter that further assistance on this matter could be requested from Royal Panda's licensing authority.

This complaints case is now officially closed.
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Dear Catwoman,

Thank you for your reply.

We've responded to some questions from Askgamblers and are awaiting their answers.

Best Regards,

Royal Panda
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Thank you for your reply. I will await your response after you have heard from Askgamblers before replying in full. In the meantime I have checked your responsible gambling page. Whilst it refers to permanent exclusion it does not say anywhere that exclusion is not activated immediately:
Self exclusion
If you’re still concerned that your gambling is becoming a problem, you can always self-exclude yourself from Royal Panda. This will suspend your account while you take a breather. To help you avoid temptation during this time, we’ll be sure not to send you any marketing material.

During this time, you’ll be blocked from doing the following:

Depositing any funds
Playing any Royal Panda online casino games for real money
Logging into your account
Royal Panda provides the following self-exclusion options to players from outside the United Kingdom:

Temporary, where you cannot login for a self-determined number of days.
Permanent, where you will be excluded from logging in at Royal Panda indefinitely.
Please be sure to withdraw any remaining funds in your account prior to self-excluding yourself. Once your account has been locked, you won’t be able to log in to request a withdrawal!

Royal Panda offers the following self-exclusion options to its British players:

Timeouts, where you can lock your account for between one day and six weeks.
Self-exclusion, where you can lock your account for six months or longer.
Please be sure to withdraw any remaining funds in your account prior to imposing a timeout. Once your account has been locked, you won’t be able to log in to request a withdrawal!

You will note that your own website states that during this time (assumed to be after self exclusion has been requested), Royal Panda will be sure not to send any marketing material. As I have said previously, not only was my account not excluded I received an e mail advising of 30 free spins. !
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Dear Catwoman,

Thank you for responding.

Like stated before in this post, email is not a direct communication tool, Royal Panda does its utmost to ensure customer email enquiries are handled promptly and with the due amount of care and attention. Our aim is to respond to all customer email enquiries within one working day, however, this can vary according to the number and nature of the enquiries received.

However You can lock yourself from playing on Royal Panda instantly, 24/7, for up to a month via our responsible gambling page. This is an option you are aware of and used in the past.

We have contacted Askgamblers support and are awaiting a reply from their side on this matter

Kind regards,

Royal Panda

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Cantidad promedio $12,793
Duración media de quejas 9 días
Tiempo de respuesta promedio 2 días
Proof of ownership of credit card

I am having an issue with Royal panda and their so called ' proof of ownership of credit card' document they require which must meet requirements as listed;

Proof Of Ownership

1) Upload a Proof of Ownership document, this is either a bank statement or a letter from your bank confirming you were the account holder. If you check your 'Card History' for a bank statement we would need to see the first 6 and last 4 digits, the expiry date, the bank's logo and your name.

OR

2) If your bank does not offer the option above, you will need to go to your local branch and ask for a typed Proof of Ownership document, on this document we will need confirmation that you were the previous account holder which also shows first 6 and last 4 digits, the expiry date, the bank's logo and your name - this document must be stamped and signed by your bank

I have uploaded multiple copies of bank statements as given in option 1 showing my name, address, card number that was used and even the transaction and dates that it was made, also a letter from the bank confirming I am the holder of the account but they keep rejecting all relevant information.

Please note these card verification documents they require have come after i have already made multiple deposits and MULTIPLE WITHDRAWALS... YES, THE CASINO HAS ALREADY WITHDRAWN WINNINGS BACK TO THE SAME CARD THEY NEED PROOF FOR?!?

I have contacted my bank here in my country asking if they even make such document for option 2 in documents they accept and they declined saying such documentation does not exist.

Now they have disabled the help desk for me and i am unable to seek further information and have disabled where I got to upload the documents that they require.

Status solved Resuelta
$2,000
Missing Withdrawal from 15th October 2021

Hi AskGamblers,

Please assist me with this ongoing withdrawal problem that is now approaching week 19.

I've completed my first and only withdrawal from Royal Panda Casino on 15/10/2021 to my Visa Credit Card. After 5 business days I contacted my bank BNZ (Bank of New Zealand) to find out if they've received my international payment. My bank replied saying this:

"We have opted to discontinue accepting payments through this facility since 31st July, 2020. In line with the NAB Sanction Group Policy, we are making this change as part of our proactive approach to the detection and deterrence of sanctioned parties, jurisdictions and products which may have a connection to a BNZ product or service. Although this change means that international payments from some non-sanctioned merchants or countries are adversely impacted, it is the right thing to do to protect our customers and ensure ongoing compliance with our international obligations. As a bank, we must comply with all applicable laws in all the jurisdictions in which we operate. This includes requirements of supra-national organizations such as the United Nations and European Union.

Moving forward, all international payments will be received if they are sent using the SWIFT process. Details are provided on our BNZ website.

Any payments made to your Visa Credit Card on or after 31st July, 2020 would have been automatically returned to the sender. Since they haven’t transacted on your account, there would be no trace of their arrival or return on the BNZ system. We do not have visibility of instances where deposits have been blocked or whether it has been delayed for another reason. Only the merchant will have that level of detail".

I've contacted Royal Panda support via live chat/email on a weekly basis for the last 4 and a half months and I'm getting nowhere. I've provided them with everything they need from proof of where I live and where I work, driver's license, birth certificate, proof of income, bank statements to show I've never received my withdrawal, Letters from my bank to say I've never received my withdrawal, etc. etc. After providing the letters and statements from my bank they just keep sending me in circles never getting closer to resolving the problem.

Every time I explain to them my bank don't accept payments to Visa Credit cards anymore and that my bank has a policy in place to automatically return funds to the sender.. They say okay we will look into the matter but then weeks later they just email me saying the funds have landed at my provider. I then have to go through the entire process again to tell them my bank don't accept payments to Visa Credit cards anymore. My bank have no visibility into this as the transactions are automatically returned to the sender. I don't have access to the provider and my bank don't have access to the Provider. Only Royal Panda Casino can resolve this by contacting the provider and getting the withdrawal returned to my account so I can use another withdrawal method like SWIFT.

Please assist me AskGamblers.. Royal Panda Casino has no intention of resolving this dispute.

Here is the latest reply from them which I receive on a monthly basis.

  • Francesca (Royal Panda)
  • 3/02/2022, 3:59 GMT+1

Dear Lionale,

I trust this email find you well and thank you for contacting Royal Panda Support.

Kindly be advised that we have been in contact with your provider and we can confirm that the withdrawal of NZD 3,100.30 has landed on your provider's account with reference: ​

ARN XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

If you encounter any questions, you can be able to check with your bank/provider by using the above as a reference.

Thank you for your kind patience in this matter and I hope the above is useful.

Should you have any other questions please feel free to contact us.

We are available through live chat and e-mail. Myself or another agent will be more than happy to help!

Have a great day!

Best regards,

Francesca

Royal Panda, Customer Support

Status unsolved No resuelta
$3,100
5 months of No payment

Hi Team,


Can you help me get this issue resolved after 5months of no payment or help from Royal Panda?


I requested a withdrawal amount of 1000NZD on 04/04/2021. 1 week later I had no money in my account, I contacted Royal Panda and they told me the funds should be in my bank and to send in a bank statement, which I did and this was approved by them. I was advised a case was created to solve my issue and I will be contacted, I wasn't. After no replies to my emails I contacted RP via live chat and was told the reason my money hasn't reached my account was that in August 2020 the laws anti money laundering in NZ changed and they do not accept card withdrawals only bank transfers. I questioned why they still put it through my card in April 2021 when they were well aware that the law changed in August 2020. They couldn't give me an answer to that. After 3 months of trying to draw information out of RP they sent me an email with a ARN code of the transaction they supposedly sent and once again request a bank statement from me. I sent in yet another bank statement proving I received no money from them and I contacted my bank with the ARN code. My bank informed me that the ARN code is a SENDERS code and RP need to trace the money from their end from the bank they transferred from which they should have done from the very beginning instead of pushing it back on me to investigate for 5 months. Basically I'm still without my 1000NZD and would like to get this resolved so I can stop chasing them up for something they should have done 5 months ago.


I have attached bank statements, conversations with RP and conversations with my bank.


Please help.

Status unsolved No resuelta
$1,000