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Hi there, I created an account on Miami Dice Casino on April 28/2020. I deposited $200 and received their welcome bonus of 200% ($400) I read all their terms and conditions and started to play, I played for hours and hours until my wagering was done. At this point I was up around $12,500 CAD. I played a little longer and tried to pull out $11,000, then realized after speaking with chat you're only able to withdrawal $5000 per week. So i went ahead and did that, their uploading of documents wasn't working so I uploaded them to suppor­t@m­iam­idi­ce.com. The next day I played a little more and my final balance was $9,903.96 CAD. May 1 I received an email saying that i breached rule number 6 (betting over $5) and they had confiscated my winnings. I have played a lot of online casinos and know how the bonus works, so I never did this. I asked them for clarification of the bet/date/time/game and they said they would get back to me. I have chatted with chat numerous times and reached out through email and they keep telling my case has been escalated and to wait. I don't know what I'm waiting for as it should be simple screen shots. So I took it upon myself to look through my history over and over. I did not bet over $5 while I was on an active bonus. I did talk to someone named Simon on chat yesterday, he said that he could see 3 bets over $5, I asked him to tell me if that was when I was on my active bonus and he told me I would have to wait. As with any casino you are not able to withdrawal funds while you have bonus funds available. I am sure Miami Dice has made a mistake. I will attach the 3 bets they are talking about and the evidence that the bets were made far after my wagering was done. As well as the conversation with Simon. Please note dates, times etc. Below I have attached proof of deposit/bonus, the first withdrawal of $5000 and then the bets in question which were long after my wagering had been done. As well as a screen shot of Simon saying he could see 3 bets betting over and me asking him if that was while or after my bonus had finished. I would just like someone from their casino to get back to me as well as my winnings that were taken, without cause. Thank you
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Dear all,

Following a careful review and consideration of all the information, details and proof presented by the parties during the complaint process, the AskGamblers Complaint Team reached to the conclusion that Miami Dice Casino management acted in accordance with their Terms and Conditions. Unfortunately, the player indeed placed higher bet then allowed, which is in direct violation of the following casino term:

The maximum bet allowed whilst the welcome bonus is in play is $5. Should you bet higher than this while the welcome bonus is in play, we reserve the right to confiscate all winnings

Based upon the fact that the player placed only one bet in violation of the aforementioned casino term, Miami Dice Casino management offered a goodwill gesture of CAD1,500 cash credits which we consider to be a fair compensation considering the circumstances.

Based on the above, the AskGamblers Complaint Team considers this case resolved and it is now officially closed.

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Hello, @Miami Dice.

Thank you for providing that spreadsheet, I have gone through it the time you referenced was not accurate but going through it further I now do see one single bet of $6.25 on the game tomb of mirrors a bet that I did not even win on and was obviously a computer glitch or a mistake on my end as you can see from the other hundreds of pages of my bet history I made sure I was always abiding by your bonus terms. I really would not have played for hours and hours on end wagering through the bonus requirement. In future is it not possible to have a pop up stating player has breached so they don’t waste all their time?

I have gone to that game today on my account and it seems the bets go from $2.50 - $6.25 is there a chance your system started me on $6.25? I would never have moved a bet up over $5.00 while on my bonus this was a total honest mistake. Is there no way Miami Dice is willing to overlook this? It’s seems very unfair to me that my winnings were confiscated over one single bet $1.25 over the allowed amount that I didn’t win on and didn’t mean to do.

I understand your terms and you reserve the right to confiscate winnings for players that are breaching you’re terms but in my case this seems very unfair and unreasonable. Furthermore I had reached out asking for this spreadsheet before making my 3rd party complaint. In future to avoid complaints like this and to make your customers experience much better, I think providing the breach in the same email as the one you send out stating that you have confiscated winnings should be done. This could have been dealt with in a much different way as there are hundreds and hundreds of pages of game play and because that would never have been my intention and going through thousands and thousands of bets with a fine tooth comb , sure there had been a mistake made, this could have saved me hours and hours of my time trying to understand emailing back and forth talking with you chat team and going through my bet history trying to deal with the situation. I would never have gotten a third party involved if this was dealt with differently. Having said all that I hear that your decision is unchanged and that is very unfortunate. To be clear tho, I did go through the spread sheet and there was 1 breach for $6.25 the whole welcome bonus. 1 bet in thousands which still doesn’t make sense to me, I’m sure your system must have started me there. @askgamblers I’m so sorry to waste your time as I was 100% sure I did not go over and I am still boggled but it says in the spread sheet they sent. Super unfortunate.
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Hi CHELSEANOAH

Thank you for your post.

In order to provide some clarity on the matter at had we note that you were indeed in breach of the maximum bet rule, as outlined in clause 6 of the Promotional Terms specific to the welcome bonus offer https:­//w­ww.m­ia­mid­ice.co­m/?­pag­e=p­rom­oti­ons­&scrollTo=welcome_promoterms (https­://­www.mi­ami­dic­e.c­om/­?pa­ge=­pro­mot­ion­s&scrollTo=welcome_promoterms) which states: “The maximum bet allowed whilst the welcome bonus is in play is $5. Should you bet higher than this while the welcome bonus is in play, we reserve the right to confiscate all winnings”

This was because of placing a bet exceeding CA$5 while the welcome bonus was in play, to note the violation transpired on the game Tomb of Mirrors on 28-04-2020 18:49:53 BST.

As a result, and in accordance with our terms the withdrawal was cancelled, the winnings confiscated and the deposit of $200 made returned to your gaming account, which you have since successfully withdrawn.

Subsequent to an internal dispute raised, we re-visited your case and although we resolved that the decision taken would stand, given the evident violation we were willing to offer you a gesture of goodwill.

While the review was underway and in referencing your claim that you were advised that there 3 breaches had occurred, we note that the very evidence submitted by yourself contradicts your claim; as the Customer Support Host stated “I can see 3 different bets in your account over the maximum bet allowed, but I cannot confirm which of them produced the breach” and further encouraged you to wait for feedback from the dispute raised.

Trusting that this provides the clarity that you were seeking, should you have any further queries in this regard we encourage you to reach out to our complaints team by responding to the email they sent to you on 11th May 2020.

@AskGamblers please note that we have submitted evidence of the breach to the player and yourselves, thus answering the player's query. We would as such ask you to kindly resolve and close this post please.

Kind Regards

Miami Dice Casino
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I’ve just received this email. Finally starting the date and time. I’ve just logged onto my account to find this date and time and replied with this! I would love to help understanding why my game play and what they have sent me is different? Something isn’t adding up here. I have attached a screen shot of my game play for 18:49:43 on 28/04/2020

I’m more confused now than ever.

Complaints Team (Miami Dice)
May 11, 2020, 4:20:33 PM UTC

Dear Ms. Noah,

We acknowledge your email dated 10th May 2020.

We have undertaken a review of your correpondence and note that the Customer Support host stated "I can see 3 different bets in your account over the maximum bet allowed, but I cannot confirm which of them produced the breach" For your reference we note that the breach occurred at 28-04-2020 18:49:53 (BetID: 193412479258) which was while the welcome bonus was in play; and further confirm that the bonus was released on 29-04-2020 03:19:15. Attached, please find your full game-play, as well as an overview of the breach outlined on tab 2.

We draw your attention to Clause 6 of the Promotional Terms specific to the Welcome Bonus offer https:­//w­ww.m­ia­mid­ice.co­m/?­pag­e=p­rom­oti­ons­&scrollTo=welcome_promoterms, which states: “The maximum bet allowed whilst the welcome bonus is in play is $5. Should you bet higher than this while the welcome bonus is in play, we reserve the right to confiscate all winnings”; and note that your winnings were therefore confiscated, in accordance with our terms. Our records further confirm that you made and that you have since successfully withdrawn the returned deposit.

Based on the clear violation of our terms the casino is entitled to confiscate the full balance.

However, our aim is always to ensure that our players have a fair experience. Therefore, although the decision taken remains unchanged, we are willing to offer you $1,500 cash credits, by way of a gesture of goodwill.

Upon confirmation from yourself that you have closed all third party and/ or forum disputes and accept this as a final resolution to the matter the funds will be credited to your Miami Dice account, which you will be free to withdraw or wager, as you prefer.

We await your reply.

Regards

Complaints Team

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Hello AskGamblers.


I`ve been a moderate player amongst online casinos for about 15 years now, I am a customer with several online casinos as well, and I am just now asking for help for the first time. I hope you can help me with the problems that I am finding myself with at the moment.

It started with an email offer from Miami dice casino, make a deposit and you will receive a bonus is the general understanding that I have when presented the offer that states the same. After I got this offer I find myself playing 2 different slots, one being Bonanza megaways and the other being Gorilla gold megaway. When I had finished with a bonus x35 I had 6000,- nok in winnings deposited into my account on Miami dice. I make a withdrawal and get notified that the withdrawal is processing for up to 48 hours and that I could cancel the withdrawal at any moment during processing until the deadline was over.

Get an email confirmation of the account and send in my drivers license and debit card for ID verification, I also sent in an address verification. This was sent the 5th of December 2021. I got a new email from them where they stated that my drivers license was expired by date, so I sent in a new photo of it and asked them to look at it a second time since it was not expired, I also send in a photo copy of my passport.

When all this is taking time I decide I want to play little more and cancel the withdrawal of 6000.- nok and play little more. Won another 3000.- nok so the new total in my account was 9007.-nok. When I am logging in the next day my account is frozen or blocked temporarily for review.

When I contacted customer service on the online chat I did not get any answers as to why my account is under review and blocked/frozen. I got a new email on December 8th 2021 that stated that my account is blocked and under review. I take contact with Miami dice again and this time they stated that my account is under review and blocked/frozen with everyone due to gambling addiction. I do not get answers as to why that happened now. I take concoct with them again on the casino online chat, and ask about the case of my account. They stated that my account is verified and that all is ok, it only took time to make a withdrawal because they had to do it manually. 10 days later it states that they are working on it, the money is still in my Miami Dice account. I see that it is more customers that have sent in complaints as well.

The last email I got from Miami dice states that they can not give me a date as to when the money will be deposited to me as the state they can not deposit to Norwegian players. that is something that my bank says is not true, I have every bit of evidence something you can have if you need. The evidence can be sent in with email to you.

Thank you again for any help and information you can give me.

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I have 5 withdrawals accepted with 4 being paid out through my Credit Union. There is one for $1200 still outstanding and I am unable to resolve this through the finance department. Right from the first withdrawal (beginning of June /20)they told me they do not do wire transfers to Credit Unions( I am in Canada). I ended up getting a deposit on June 24/20 for $1478.08 so I assumed the rest would follow shortly after.When they didn't go through I got in contact with support and they told me it was impossible for them to send a wire transfer to a credit union and asked for a bank statement showing the deposit. I sent that in on July 7/20 and received a deposit of $2157.60 on July 9/20. It was very perplexing as multiple emails said they do not do wire transfers to credit unions yet I have had 2 go through my account. I continued to deal with support and Adele on the remaining 2 withdrawals not paid and they continued to ask me for new bank information . Out of frustration I went and opened up a new bank account that was not a credit union and sent the information in. I then received an email 3 days later stating that the payment had bounced back and that they don't do wire transfers to credit unions. I replied that this new bank is not a credit union. I also went into both my new bank and credit union and they both stated that there was no bounced wire transfers on their end, I relayed that to Adele aand got his email

Hi Jean,

I have just spoken with the payments team for you. They advised that they tried to process the funds to the alternative bank, however, due to international restrictions this transaction failed and bounced back to us. If the bank is not accepting the payment we are unable to push this through.

The team advised that they will need alternative details in order to process these funds.

Best,

Adele

After numerous emails back to them I received this email on Aug7/20 and a deposit of $ $1038.00 went through my credit union.

Aug 7, 2020, 2:43 PM UTC

Hi Jean,

I have gone back to the payments team for you and advised them of the below. They advised that they went back to the payment provider and they have been able to push through the payment of $1,059.45 to your Cost Capital account ending xxx6779. They have also reprocessed the $1,200 today to the same account, this payment could take up to 5 working days to appear on your account.

Again, I thank you for your patience while we tried to resolve this for you, due to international restrictions the payment provider can come across disruptions and blocks when trying to make payments to credit unions.

Have a great weekend!

Best,

Adele

This now leaves one last withdrawal of $1200 unpaid which they asked for my bank statement again to show it hadn't gone through, which i did and received this last email from them

[email protected]

Mon 8/17/2020 3:39 AM

Dear Jean, 

Username: < username removed >

We write to inform you that your recent withdrawal for CAD 1,060.00 has failed. The message we have received from our Payment provider is: Incorrect or missing beneficiary details and so you would need to discuss this matter directly with them.

Your coast capital account ending 6779 has now been disallowed from future withdrawals so this does not happen to you again in future.

In order to successfully process your outstanding balance, we would need an official bank statement containing all of the following:

- Account Holders Name

- Bank Name

- Bank Address

- Transit Code

- Account Number

- SWIFT Code

We trust that this email has found you well. If you require any further assistance regarding this matter or any other, please do not hesitate to contact our Support Team via Live Chat or Email.

Kind Regards,

Accounts Team

Miami Dice


So the first thing is the amount is wrong. I have a $1200 withdrawal and even after their fee, which is about 2% my net deposit should be around $1176 not $1060. Secondly, they have already successfully processed 3 deposits so how could information be wrong or missing. I have sent 4 requests for them to resolve this and have received no response.I have spent the last couple of months dealing with this and have sent approx. 30 emails trying to get my money. It is now to the point that I need some sort of mediation to get this resolved and hope Askgamblers will be able to help. I have copied and pasted directly from my Miamidice account my accepted withdrawals for reference.

All accepted withdrawals within the last 3 months.

Date Amount ID

14/06/2020 12:51 CA$1,341.60 15593548274

19/06/2020 05:06 CA$1,500.08 15668990337

24/06/2020 15:08 CA$1,200.00 15764217311

27/06/2020 06:40 CA$838.21 15812502957

25/07/2020 02:36 CA$1,059.45 16332279395


Thank you

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Hi, just to ensure this complaint doesn't get rejected, I'll say very clearly. I did not break the relevant max bet terms on Miami Dice, and have screenshots and a spreadsheet to prove it (please read full complaint).

I signed up to Miami Dice on 28th November and deposited £1,000 to receive a £2,000 bonus. I read all of the relevant terms pertinent to the Welcome Bonus, as well as the Standard Promotional Terms, to ensure I didn't break any.

I noticed the term "The maximum bet allowed while the Welcome Bonus is in play is £5. Should You bet higher than this while the Welcome bonus is in play, the casino reserves the right to confiscate all winnings." Unclear about when the bonus is 'in play', I got live chat to confirm this, and triple check this, as it was a lot of money (live chat screenshots attached).

My £7.50 bets were all when I was playing with cash. When bonus was 'in play' (when cash was all lost, as confirmed by the Live Chat agent), all bets I placed were £5 or less.

On request, Miami Dice provided me with a full history of my gameplay in spreadsheet format. On close inspection, as I already knew, I did not bet over £5 while the bonus was in play, and have provided a screenshot which proves that (attached). The key cell is F5 which shows the number 0. That is the total number of bets I made with bonus funds over the max bet of £5, zero. (I thought I'd also throw in that I span over 23,000 times on their site, so that's included too)
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Therefore, the following facts are true and it in conclusive that Miami Dice were not within their rights to confiscate my winnings:
1. When playing on miamidice.com, a player's balance is comprised of cash balance and bonus balance.
2. When a player places a wager on a game, the cash balance is used first. Only when the cash balance is zero, is the bonus used for staking.
3. The term Miami Dice claimed I have broken is "The maximum bet allowed while the Welcome Bonus is in play is £5"
4. When I asked Miami Dice live chat the question "Is the following correct...? 'When I lose all my cash, then and only then is the bonus in play'", your live chat operator answered "Correct"
5. After I had lost my cash balance, I didn't place any stakes over £5.

I have provided evidence of the facts in the form of a screenshot of the live chat operator saying exactly those words, and a spreadsheet detailing that I did not wager over £5 while my bonus was in play. I can't upload excel files on Ask Gamblers however I can email support on request.

I request Miami Dice to send my full withdrawal of £4041.88.
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So 5 days later still waiting for there acceptance of my withdrawal, I went to play and found my remaining balance of over $10000 was gone.
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I was distraught and adamant that I didn't increase my spin value until I had played through the bonus so I went back through my game play and it had all disappeared so asked them at least 2 times to email my game play as I was more than a little distraught to loose all the money I had won and wanted to see the proof myself..... The casino would not assist me and when I complained and got a little heated as you could imagine after loosing at least $15000 they self excluded me from the casino although I hadn't requested it and blocked my account for a year so then I couldn't sign in and get my game play or do anything.
I requested my game play to be sent another 4 times and was refused every time which I think to me sounds dodgy to say the least
I have since contacted them and been told it would be sent to the following department to get back to me and have heard nothing and I more than upset at the unjust and dismissive way I have been unfairly treated.
When they state that a withdrawal acceptance is done within 48 hours and it then it takes 5 days.... then refusing to send my game play which they must a record of to know i was in breach of the bonus terms, not asking me verify my I.D and then banning me from the casino after I make a fuss would make anybody suspicious
P.S I have all chats to support my claims if needed, but don't want to post it publicly as it contains some personal information I wouldn't want disclosed publicly
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