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Von dulence
vor 10 Jahren
Over two months ago, I took part in a promotion sent to me by the casino via email. The promotion involved a 200% bonus on my deposit. After playing with the bonus and meeting the wagering required for the funds to become withdrawable, I requested a cashout for a total of €5300. It took Luckland casino about 3 weeks to verify my account and make the initial payment. At first they only paid out €1500 and stated that they were unable to pay me more than €500 per week. Fine. In the following weeks they did stick to their promise and actually paid at the stated rate. They have paid me a total of €4000, owing me a further €1300.

Several days ago, I received an email informing me my Luckland account was closed. To my inquiry about the remainder of my funds they stated they would not pay the money because I was playing "playing with a system that was meant to leverage the bonuses given by the Casino, ensuring winnings on the long run from the Casino".

I have clearly not broken any terms otherwise they woudn't have paid out most of my winnings in the first place.
Unseriöses Casino LuckLand Casino
Betrag €1300

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User name loyalty-level-2
Dear AskGamblers,

Yes, I'm willing to give the permission for the data to be shared with you and you only. I will not allow for the data to be shared publicly and it is my understanding that is exactly what the casino wishes to do.
User name
Dear @dulence,

When you sign the waiver that will give a permission to the LuckLand Casino to share evidence regarding your case. Upon AskGamblers Complaints Terms we consider all evidence strictly confidential and won't be publicly displayed or send to the third party.

If you are not willing to sign the waiver we don't have any option but to reject this complaint. After all, if you are concern about personal information than you can always submit a complaint in front of a licencing authority of the LuckLand Casino
User name loyalty-level-2
I will certainly NOT allow you to publish my name, IP and email address. That information has nothing to do with you stealing money from me.

As for my gaming pattern - why don't you post it here so the community can see how I "attack" casinos. You don't need any approval from me to do this.

Regarding Skrill - Yes, please, by all means, let's get them involved. I would LOVE it to hear their take on the matter.

You're clutching at straws here. You're nothing but petty thieves. Pathetic.
User name
Dear Customer,

This form is required to be signed as per our data protection policy.

Upon your written approval, we will disclose with the forum your first name and only the initial of the last name, IP address and Skrill email address. On top of that we will add the betting style and the leveraging logic behind it.

As your gaming pattern is established to attack many different casino operators in order to leverage their promotional activities, there is no doubt that we are one out of many that were attacked by yourself and we must provide this to the forum as a way to establish our decision.

Once you sign the form we will also be notifying Skrill security team with your gaming patterns, hoping that they will not allow you to continue using their wallet for this type of activity.

We will no longer go into debates regarding this matter; any future communication can be done directly with our support team or via the forum management.

Best regards,
Luckland Support

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Delay payments over 10 days
January 6, I made a deposit of 600 euros.
On January 8 in the morning I ordered a withdrawal in the amount of 2,700 euros. (File "1")
I immediately wrote to the chat: "Do you need any documents?"
The employee in the chat gave a list of documents, I immediately uploaded everything to the site.
January 10, I receive an email with a request for documents. (2nd time !!!)
I naps in the online chat, I was told that this is a mistake.

It’s been more than 48 hours since I sent the documents and made the withdrawal.

Account remained 600-650 euros. I continued to play at low stakes.

Until January 14, I continued to play and greedy withdrawal.
January 15, I could not log into my account.

I wrote on the email: what happened to my account?
Received a letter stating that I was restricted access because they did not receive the required document:
"Hi Manuel,

I can see your account is currently on hold until the requested documents are submitted and approved (need the official RIB Document for WireTransfer: ****6800)

Contact us anytime by online chat for an instant response and the very best offer of the day or by email at [email protected].


Kind Regards

JamieZ
Account Manager
Luckland


Ticket Details
Ticket ID: 36788
Department: English
Type: Issue
Status: Closed
Priority: Unassigned"

I think that they restricted my access due to the fact that I stopped playing (they expected that I would lose the remaining money ~ 600 euros)

I sent the required documents to the email (sent the documents for the 3rd time)

January 16th I received an email:
"Dear Manuel,

Thank you for contacting us and for your cooperation.

I can fully confirm that I have escalated your attached documents to the relevant department for them to be checked :)
Please not that it takes 48 BUSINESS hours for your documents to be approved by our finance department as per our terms and conditions :)

Thanks and good evening !

Michael P
Account Manager



Ticket Details
Ticket ID: 37009
Department: English
Type: Issue
Status: Closed
Priority: Unassigned"


After that, the emile passed more than 48 BUSINESS hours, nobody wrote to me.

I decided to write a public complaint.
DO NOT IGARATE IN THIS CASINO, they have not paid 3,000 euros for 2 weeks already.
Status solved Gelöst
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