Scotty66

Well I think people can and do expect to win ... at least I do ... at least some of the time ... or what would be the point? ... because it's not just "playing" ... it is spending money in the hope of winning more ... isn't it? We are talking about gambling after all, not paying a fee to a club to be entertained or play a sport for a while. It's not realy that entertaining without the chance of winning, is it? I could just play a slot simulator ... and sometimes I have so I can "enjoy the play" and the bonus features etc ... and when I do that I risk nothing ... (except dissapintment if I won BIG .. but am not playing actual money!) ... an dof course I do not have the thrill that comes with the possibility and actuality of winning ... .. but then ... come to think of it ... except when on a Bonus ... I never got that at 32Red either! Although I have ... and do ... both win and lose other places. So I suppose that is what I am "venting" about ... the fact that my experince there destroyed my hope / faith that winning was possible there. I do not know if they are the most honest casino out there or what ... and in a way that is not the issue ... but I do know that my experience with them was became devoid of the thrill of winning and the hope of winning.

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Well - I had to join and play there for a while in order to discover the low RTP - and after that I did leave 32Red (as I said in one of my 2 post above) - because my experiences there lead me to the conclusion that I had very little chance of ever winning there - and I was unwilling to spend any more of my money to find out IF my RTP would eventually go up.

second time you have asked that cocopop3011 answer is actually to be found in mr reply above thanks for welcome BTW

I got data from them and while on Bonus my RTP was over 100% - could not press a button but I won! Ended up with hundreds that of course, I could not withdraw as the Bonus Wagering Requirements were for thousands and so so had to "play it all away" over a few days. Never did quite fulfill the wagering, although I got close. Then IMMEDIATELY my balance returned to 0.00 and the wagering withdrawal restiriction were gone and I deposited more money, my RTP went down to twenty something percent. Waited a week or so and played other places, then went back. RTPs then averaged somewhere between the 2 extremes above, but after a month or so my RTP was still and way below their adversised rates and I never won enough at one time to make a withdrawal (although once won about £50 and should have withdrwan it - but thought I'd try to win as big as I had when on Bonus and lost it). Remember - I never actually made a withdrawal all the time I was there. RTP was still well "below what they would like to see", and so I was given a load of free spins to try to bump it up, which it did slightly - but even then, my overall my RTP just made it to about 80%. Asked for a "gesture of goodwill " but not forthcoming - and Manager a bit aggresive / overly defensive / accusing me of doubting / questioning the integrity of casino etc - and insiting the RTPs were fine etc. I left.

My experience with 32Red is very similar regarding RTPs. They are not providing me with my data in a suitable format to give exact percentages just now - but my rough claculations confirm that the RTPs in my case are very much like Johnnys (although I spent much less). My experience was that there is a HUGE difference between wins and payouts when playing with and without Bonuses - and the accompanying Wagering Requirements and Withdrawal Restrictions.

edited - did not use quote properly - new post below