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Von Robert M.
I'm submitting this claim on askgamblers after submitting it prior on another site to no avail. The reason I am submitting it here is that Bitstarz has unfairly compensated other players who had the same issues as I state here, yet have denied me compensation and that does not sit well with me at all, as I'm a loyal Bitstarz depositor. This complaint is being submitted in direct response to how I've been treated by Olle, Bitstarz Online Rep. The other players who submitted similar claims, did so AFTER I submitted mine. Bitstarz and more specifically, their online Casino Rep, Olle, has continually and intentionally denied me any compensation on this issue, after unfairly compensating the other said players of Aztec Magic (and other Bgaming slots) which I believe is wrong (and unfair) as my claim is legit as you will see below. I can provide proof of other players saying they were compensated by Olle and Bitstarz upon request, but have not included the proof in this complaint for clarity.

So after going through my screenshots I found that I had two rounds that indeed had not payed out correctly according to the pay table, as they both had multiple wilds in the winning combinations.

Both rounds were spun within 7 minutes of each other on the same day. And in both rounds, the lines paid correctly if there were no wilds involved, but as the pay table rules state, if 2 wilds are in a winning combination it multiplies by 40 and if 3 are involved it multiplies by 200 (please see enclosed pay table screenshot).

On Screenshot 1 -

My Line 3 win paid 28.14 mBTC but should have actually paid .35 BTC

Line 3 = 125 x 40 x .07 = 350 mBTC or .35 BTC

Total win should = 350 mBTC or .35 BTC.

Total win actually paid out to me = 28.14 mBTC or .02814 BTC

On Screenshot 2 -

This round paid me 19.15 mBTC or .01915 BTC, but should have actually paid me 120.90 mBTC or .1209 BTC

Line 2 = 200 x .05 = 10 mBTC
Line 8 = 50 x 40 x .05 = 100 mBTC
Line 6 = 5 x 40 x .05 = 10 mBTC
Line 4 = 6 x 3 x .05 = .9 mBTC

Total win should = 120.90 mBTC or .1209 BTC

Total win actually paid out to me = 19.15 mBTC or .01915 BTC

To Conclude -
I should be receiving .4709 BTC as the adjusted win for both rounds. Being a loyal Bitstarz player, I trust that Bitstarz will do the right thing as they are always quick to help in any way they can. With a lot of other Casinos these days not being the most honest places to play, it's good to know that Bitstarz is still a place you can trust and feel good about spending your hard earned BTC there.

I just hope to resolve this soon, and am curious to see if they try to credit me with no multipliers instead of the stated multipliers, because as the rules state, 2 wilds in the winning combination is 40x while 3 wilds is 200x. And ***it doesn't say anything about the wilds having to be all in a row*** so I should receive .4709 BTC instead of the 47.29 mBTC I got from both the wins.
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Dear mushroomjazz,

After carefully reviewing your case, requesting and assessing all the relevant details and facts from the affected operator, AskGamblers Complaints Team reached to the conclusion that you have already been given a satisfactory explanation as well as a justified and fair response to your claims on behalf the BitStarz management.

Moreover, our team have been in contact with the affected gaming vendor - BGaming and their team kindly provided us with full information on the case. It appears that back in August you have already been explained in details from BGaming representatives that the game rounds which you officially disputed have paid out correctly and according to the relevant game's paytable and rules.

Based on the above, AskGamblers Complaints Team consider the complaint as resolved and the case is being closed. Should you have any further claims, please make sure to forward these to the gaming provider directly or to the relevant regulatory body/testing agency which would be the only competent authority to investigate further this case.

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Hi there,

So, I think the definitions and wording here is slightly problematic. I don't think we're talking about a compensation here, but rather a goodwill. As there's no error with the game itself, I believe it's perhaps a little bit unfair to call it a compensation, but rather a bonus or cash amount that is given at our own discretion to certain players.

The way I see it here is the following. According to BGaming, there's nothing wrong with the payout of the game, and nothing wrong with the wording. Hence they're not liable to give the player anything extra. If there was, the player in question would have a legitimate claim with BGaming. However, I think it's rather far-fetched to demand a compensation from BitStarz in this case. I find it hard to see where it would be justified to get a payment from us, as we are not to blame here (if anyone).

As this is a goodwill that has been given out in the past and not a compensation for any wrongdoing, we are not liable nor obligated to give a particular player some funds. We've decided to give goodwill to some similar cases, but that is at our own discretion and is nothing that has been refunded by BGaming, but a goodwill certain players.

My example here would be that if a VIP player has some negative experiences in a game (nothing wrong with the game but it got stuck or something similar), we wouldn't be liable to give the player a compensation if there wasn't anything wrong with the game, but we can choose to give the player a goodwill for the bad experience, this is the way we've treated these cases in the past.

I would wait for an official statement from BGaming in this case if AG wishes more information for a verdict, but I ultimately believe that this is not a dispute with us.

Kind Regards,

BitStarz
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I forgot to say something about the comment I made in regards to the wording not being changed for Desert Treasure and how I "knew which game I was gonna go play". That comment was an off the cuff, tongue-in-cheek, ha-ha-wink-wink, I was messing around comment. I was being semi sarcastic and semi joking around when I said that, but forgot that sarcasm and the sort aren't reflected well in written words. It probably doesn't seem that way given my tone, but I assure you, I was tongue in cheek messing around when I said that. Maybe it was the wrong thing to say at the time now that I have hindsight on my side to allow me the clarity to think about it some more, but I said it and I needed to clear that up a bit.
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Ok, let me say this straight away, yes, this is about an extra payout, which I believe my situation warrants and I will go into detail below (and subsequent screenshots) as to what I mean by this. And second, yes, I continue to play Aztec Magic till this day, as I love that game. I won't deny either of those claims made by Olle. What's wrong with this situation being about those two things?? My problem with situation lies with Bitstarz compensating multiple players for the ambiguous wording for not only Aztec Magic, but now twice for Desert Treasure, and I get denied any compensation for the same situation, when I submitted my complaint before two of the three players who got compensated. Please see screenshot 4 that shows the second player stating he got compensated for ambiguous wording in Desert Treasure. He also states that a third player got compensated for the exact same complaint as I have filed here, but I don't know the game involved. And lastly let me say that I still love playing at Bitstarz, they are one of the best out there, I just thought it was wrong that they have in the past and still do today, compensate other players for this situation with the ambiguous pay table wording for some Bgaming slots. Actually, the pay table is not even really ambiguous TBH. It is very, very clear on how the multipliers should be applied to round wins when the pay table states if 2 wilds are in a winning combination it multiplies by 40 and if 3 are involved it multiplies by 200 (please see enclosed pay table screenshot). The pay table does not state where the wilds need to land for the multipliers to be applied, because if they meant it that way, it should be stated as such in the pay table. Why would any reasonable person think otherwise?? Any reasonable person would know how this multiplier gets applied to round wins. I don't know why Olle from Bitstarz keeps questioning my "intentions" in regards to this situation either. Well, let me clear that up now, my "intentions" are to get some compensation for this situation, just like the other three players have gotten. You know what, I'd settle for the 120.09 mBTC for just one of the wins, as I feel like since the other three players got compensated and I did not for the exact same situation with my complaints being filed and discussed before two of the three other players filed their complaints, that I deserve at least that.
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Good day

I have an issue with BitStarz Bitcoin Online Casino.

On the 28th of December 2020 I requested a withdrawal after making 5 deposits into my BitStarz online casino account. In total it was 9.89678893 BTC.

Here is the Bitcoin Address I paid to and the Blockchain link showing the transactions.

Address: 37wzzF7M1NZVpVRhimXhS4pebXRiwRPyxp

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/37wzzF7M1NZVpVRhimXhS4pebXRiwRPyxp


During my gambling session, I won roughly 30 BTC. I made a withdrawal request and shortly after I received an email from Sean at from BitStarz Support (Ticket #W82TG) asking for Verification Documents.

I then sent what they requested.

- A copy of my passport.

- A photo of my face (selfie) with my government issued passport with a paper with the word Bitstarz and the date.

- My proof of address.

Doing that already made me uncomfortable because the whole reason for using Bitcoin is to stay anonymous. However, I did as they requested.

Later that day, I received a phone call from one of the Bitstarz support / finance department personal. I have spoken to him and he seemed satisfied.

Yes, after all of this, they reversed my withdrawal. I had over 40 BTC in my account. During some more gambling, I have lost and my remaining balance was +- 22 BTC.

After this, I received an email saying that they are blocking my account until they are satisfied with my verification. Which I've already sent to them.

As things stand now, my account is blocked. I cannot get access to the +- 12 BTC I've won, not even my own 9.89678893 BTC that I have deposited.

After numerous emails back and forth, I have requested that they return my original 9.89678893 BTC to the original address that I've sent it from. In turn, I received an email saying that they have seized the BTC.

In my layman understanding of this is that they are not satisfied with my verification and refuse to return my original BTC to the original address it was sent from. In other words, they literally stole 9.89678893 BTC from me. I have done what they asked and they still are not satisfied.

I humbly request that you assist me in this matter. 9.89678893 BTC is a lot of money that I cannot just write off. They said something in one of the emails about AML legislation etc which is absolutely ridiculous. All I ask is that they return my original 9.89678893 BTC to the addresses it was sent from then there is no AML issues at all. Yes, they refuse and by the looks of things they want to steel my 9.89678893 BTC and the winnings on top of that.

I really hope that you would be able to assist me in this matter.

Kind regards,

Petrus < surname removed >

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BTC10
Unjustified duplicate account accusations and confiscated winnings
Hi, I write to you from Denmark with an issue with Bitstarz. They refuse to cooperate on this mattter.

A couple of days ago I signed up on 2 Direx N.V. casinos , Bitstarz (and Golden Star), where I deposited and played.
I actually checked on here that they accept players from Denmark, which they do.

On my second deposit of 100 EUR started to get some winnings, and made an withdrawal of EUR 2000 .
I got an email asking for the verification documents, which I provided instantly. (attached)
I later cancelled the withdrawal and ended up winning more, and withdrawed in total EUR 3800.
Now this is when the nightmare starts.

I got an email from support stating that I have played using 2 accounts, and have used the welcome bonus 2 times,
and gives me an email and an fake ID issued in the UK. (see comments) I thought I'd faint , as this is very serious.


Now, the fact is that I live in Denmark , it's not my email , and I have not registered an account in the UK that I play with.

Even though IF the fact were that I lived in the UK and in some way had an account, I still would not be able to play on BitStarz as stated in their T&C. 3.7

"If you are a player from Spain, Sweden, France, the UK, The Netherlands, Dutch West Indies and Curacao, US or any of its states, you won't be allowed to play real money wagering games including bitcoins."

I have asked them to send all the details for the supposed active second account, but they refuse to cooperate, and are threatening me, with that I should withdraw 100 EUR or I will loose them as well. (see comments in the conversation)

They falsely accuse me of playing on duplicate accounts using the same danish IP address, which I have asked for proof of, but they refuse to send this , and only (repetedly) ask me to withdraw 100 EUR so they can close my account. I have also asked for logs when "I" have been logged in on this other account, dates and times. They do not want to send anything I ask for, and I am in shock over the whole situation. This is a behaviour I have never encountered before.

I refer to their T&C 6.3
"In the event of any dispute, you agree that the records of the server shall act as the final authority in determining the outcome of any claim."

As they don't want to provide records of the duplicate account, the dispute is only looked at from their side.


If looking further at the T&C's it says that only one account per IP, household and PC is allowed. That is of course standard for any casino, - I am always aware of the casino TC's. But in this situation it doesn't add up , they do not wish to cooperate, and I am left frustrated and sad that people can be like this.

Thankful for any help.
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Inadequate assistance with a game glitch

Bitstar game "The Nutcracker kicker me out up in getting 5 x free spin symbols after putting several thousand dollars into the machines.

Issue occurred Friday 6 Sept 2019 @15:54pm. at the time I had 17 free games remaining an was already on a x 4 win multiplier with 17 games remaining. Butstarz strung me along telling me that I would receive an email and that the game would be fixed and finally telling me almost 3 days later that I could log in and culd resume my feature if I again removed all cookies and history and did a fresh log in or used another device. I dd this repeatedly for several more days loging in daily and advising again that the game would allow me back in:

Customer Service last message was on Mon, 09/09/19 12:14 pm saying that the game had been fixed.

I followed up imediately 10 minutes later o@ Mon, 09/09/19 12:25 pm advising that the game kept booting me despite the instructions I'd been given having been completed repeatedly. Supplying both error screen shots and asking for resolution.

I then follow up via the ticket lof and I believe via support aswell checking the game on a daily basis. Post Bitstarz last contact I have email message via the ticket on the following dates:

4 Days +6 hrs Tuesday, 10 September 2019 10:41:06 pm - My free games still hasn’t returned, I can log in to the game but no free spins, and

upon attempting to spin the reels I get the attached error message. Further screen shots attached showing the error messages received proving issue not resolved and asking for a url I might be able to access the game through manually.

"6 Days + 16 Hours after incident "Friday 13 September message saying that it is almost a week and I hadn;t heard from anyone since the

NO RESPONSE 2019, 2:08:22 am" previous Monday, just long enough for the deposits to clear from the CC then I didn't hear from them again in response to any of my message. Advised that isn't sorted by then i’ll lodge an official complaint with your licensing body, and report the to ask gamblers. I don’t want to take that route, But have no chouce as I;m not hearing from them. Still heard nothinig.

6 days + 19 hrs Emailed Nick Head of casino Who emailed me regarding a big winner so I responded syaing that I;ve been waiting over a week for a resolution and without any update to repeated inquiries at all for 5 days so instead of self promoting why don;t you service the customers issues. AGAIN NO Response now as of Moday september 16th haven't heard back from anyone since Mon, 09/09/19 12:14 pm, not a peep in over a week and since all the transactions cleared. Voted best casino??? What a joke.

I have all the screen shots from the game, all the communications about the issues and proof of issue game number just need an email address to send it.

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Unjustified accusations and confiscation of deposit

BitStarz Casino,

20 Free Spins yielded a win. A maximum withdrawal amount of up to 0.3BCH after playthrough is met according to the Term Agreement. However the system would not allow me to submit a withdrawal request. The crypto address field is disabled and so I sought the assistance of a BitStarz support hero. Here comes Henry to save the day! Henry reviews the account for a minute and figured: “ To enable the withdrawal method you need to make deposit with it.” I asked how much, it was 0.14BCH (chat log attached in this email)

I made my deposit as instructed. As I waited for confirmations to complete, I realized I need to know what will happen to my deposit of 0.15BCH which was added to my post playthrough balance of .528BCH at the time. I opened chat again (spoke to Mark) and was advised to add my deposit on top of the 0.3BCH. I submitted the withdrawal in the amount of 0.45490560BCH. After the cashout confirmation email process, I received an email from Richard that said they found my account as duplicated and is a violation of BitStarz’s T&C. And all funds in my account has been seized in full, the account was also disabled and I can no longer login. I thought maybe there was a mistake and so I asked to be sent a copy or documentation of this alleged violation charged against me. BitStarz replied saying there is no charge. Claimed that multiple accounts were linked to my account and so a decision was made to confiscate the full balance. (Transcript of conversation attached with this email)

Now I’m really confused and frustrated. I have been accused of a violation but refused to provide evidence to substantiate the charge. Denied me access to my winnings and deposit monies. But no there is no charge against you. Are you serious? This is the best you can come up with? I wonder how many others experienced my situation.

Here’s another view of the scenario:

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Cannot get my winnings

I recently signed up and made several deposits using my credit cards totalling almost 1200$. I played and requested to withdraw 900. However, they wont pay me back to my credit card and only are giving me the instadebit and ecopayz options. I do not have either of those. My instadebit account was closed several years ago and cannot open another. And i dont have the ability to open an ecopayz. So they say they wont pay out my winnings. I physically cannot open those accounts/options so they told me I lost all money/deposits. I have the chat transcript where they told me this.

Andrew Thu, 04/25/19 08:33:58 pm America/Rankin_Inlet

Hello. How may I help you?

momo84 08:33:58 pm

Hi. I am from canada and trying to withdraw, but unfortunately my instadebit accont is blocked, and i cannot get access to my ecopayz..

Andrew 08:34:47 pm

you will need one of these unfortunately

momo84 08:35:05 pm

but i dont, so what do you expect me to do?

i cant force them to give me an account

Andrew 08:35:41 pm

you will need to gain access unfortunately

momo84 08:35:50 pm

they wont let me

what dont you understand

Andrew 08:35:59 pm

i understand

you need to please understand that these are your two options

so you will need to gain access

momo84 08:36:26 pm

and i cnnot gain access

so how do you expect me to

i have been in contact with them, and i cannot get access

Andrew 08:36:58 pm

you will need to use one of these methods or you cannot withdraw

momo84 08:37:08 pm

so i lose my money?

i need to speak to somone who can help me. i deposited in good faith with my credit csrd. now i want to withdraw and i cannot

that isnt fair

Andrew 08:37:56 pm

you will need to use one of the methods

i am best placed to help in this scenario

momo84 08:38:17 pm

oh my god. I CANNOT use those methods

Andrew 08:38:24 pm

then you cannot withdraw

momo84 08:38:26 pm

the company wont open my account!!!!!

Andrew 08:38:33 pm

then you cannot withdraw

momo84 08:38:38 pm

so i deposited and lost all mu money

Andrew 08:38:57 pm

unfortunately if they will not open the account yes

momo84 08:39:03 pm

wow

Andrew 08:39:19 pm

is there anything else i can help you with?

momo84 08:39:21 pm

you cannot just take peoples money

Andrew 08:39:36 pm

we did not, you are saying the two options we gave you will not work

we gave you those options and so you need to make them work otherwise you cannot withdraw

is there anything else i can help you with?

momo84 08:40:25 pm

i want to escalate this

this is not fiar

this was supposed to be a reputable casino

Andrew 08:40:52 pm

it is

unfortunately there is no escalating this

momo84 08:41:01 pm

and i deposited. its not my fault i cannot withdraw and im from canada so you wont put it back to my credit card

Andrew 08:41:19 pm

those are the two options

if there is nothing else to add i will need to close the chat unfortunately

momo84 08:41:40 pm

so i just lost 1200@

Andrew 08:41:55 pm

unless you get one of the methods yes unfortunately

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